My Panaque changae have spawned!

[Jools]

Yay! Just dashed upstairs to post, going back down now to look at them!!!

Jools

[Dave Rinaldo]

Cool!!

Panaque changae

[Jackster]

SWEET! I was curious if that species was a good one to spawn but now I know for sure.

[Richard B]

Excellent....however you will soon need to update the species page from breeding "unreported" & do a quick article

[MatsP]

Congratulations.

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Mats

[Jools]

Fry look about 3 weeks old, male is in cave again.

Jools

[jac]

Nice one
Congratulations

[andywoolloo]

congratulations!!!

[andrewcoxon]

cool well done mate,

what conditions are they in?

[Jools]

cool well done mate,

what conditions are they in?

Thanks, I'll pull together an article detailing all that stuff.

Cheers,

Jools

[apistomaster]

Jools,
Good for you.
Peckoltia spp. seem to be fairly easy to breed but I don't think that many catfish keepers have Peckoltia changae in groups large enough to breed. They are a bit larger than many other more popular Peckoltia spp. but they are attractive enough that I think that there are many who are only keeping one specimen in their collection.
Too many people do this and it impairs the progress in acquiring more reports of breeding many species.

I expect that now your P. changae have begun spawning that they will continue to do so with an occasional rest break.
My L134 have only bred prolifically from early spring to early fall. During the winter only a few fry showed up instead of normal broods of 25. I bet your P. changae have larger sized broods than L134.

I look forward to seeing your progress reports, photos and article.

[Jools]

Larry,

Err, they're

Panaque

sp., not

Peckoltia

.

Jools

[apistomaster]

Oops!
Then I raise my praise for your accomplishment since breeding a Panaque spp is a much rarer event.
I some how had it in my head that they were a Peckoltia but I think I was picturing Peckoltia sabaji in my mind.
I'm still only halfway through my morning triple shot latte'.

[stuby]

Congrats on the spawn Jools! Looking forward to the updates!

Chuck

[Champ-BKK]

Congrat!!!

[Shane]

Did this happen while you were on vacation?
-Shane

[Jools]

Did this happen while you were on vacation?
-Shane

Judging by the size of the fry now (13mm), I think the eggs were laid when I did a large water change before I left (40% aged tap water) but perhaps before. If you accept that the eggs would take 10 days to hatch, then maybe even further before I left. All tanks got big water changes in the week before I left. Also, the temp went as high as 86F while I was away and there was a lot of evaporation.

Jools

[Jools]

I have at least 32 fry, I wonder how many other plecos spawnings were achieved using

Pseudeutropius

(or indeed ANY catfish) as a dither fish? Other fish present were the Edinburgh (Ember )Tetra - Hyphessobrycon amandae and a bunch of snails and cherry shrimp. Clay pipe cave under bogwood was used and the fish fed on tetra prima, bloodworm and beech from the garden (bark on).

Jools

[L number Banana]

Congrats and can't wait for the article and pics!! Well done!

[MatsP]

I wonder how many other plecos spawnings were achieved using

Pseudeutropius

(or indeed ANY catfish) as a dither fish?

Considering that there are 4 keepers of Pseudotropius in the Cat-eLog, I'd say "not many".

Interesting that they spawned in a ceramic cave, I would have thought that they would prefer a wooden cave.

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Mats

[Deb]

... and the fish fed on tetra prima, bloodworm and beech from the garden (bark on).

Jools,

Congrats on the spawn and the fry! Sounds like all is going well. You mention that the bark was left on the beech. Can you tell me if the Panaque scrape through the bark to the wood? Appear to eat the bark? Scrape only the first layer of film? Leave the beech alone altogether?

I'm curious, because I go to some trouble to remove the bark from wood for my Panaque, but I wonder if they would try to eat it if it were left on. And would it be all right for them if they did - meaning, would it be just as "nutritious" as the wood, and just as easy to digest?

Deborah

[Jools]

Deb,

These are secretive fish, so I do not really see them eating wood - the state of filter sponges and also the fact that the bark disappears. What I can say for sure is that (a) bark is always given and is always removed from the wood (eaten I think, but maybe just floats off) and (b) it's always been present with the fish in the tank they chose to spawn in.

My gut feeling (pun intended) is they prefer it on, lichen and all.

Jools

[Deb]

My gut feeling (pun intended) is they prefer it on, lichen and all.

I think you're right! At least it does no harm. I'm looking forward to your article and photos.

Deb

[Jools]

Ingo's been in touch and the info from the first spawning in was that Eichelberger (1999, published in DATZ) has spawned them for the first time. Tank 160 litres, pH 7, 6 °KH, 10°dGH, 27 °C. 3o eggs, juveniles left cave after 18 days with 2 cm length.

So, the Germans managed it 10 years ago, this goes to show how little of this data is distributed globally. More reasons to write an article!

Jools

[CoryWally]

Great effort Jools.
You could even register it on the CSG Breeders Award Programme!

Cheers,
Mark.

[Jools]

Jools