Need ID please

Reiner · Post by **Reiner** » 17 Jan 2006, 22:16

Sorry I don't have a pic since I can't find my catfish during the day. I bought this fish last Friday and it was labeled as spotted catfish ate the store (I know that doesn't help at all). The fish is currently about 1.5 inches small. It has a very light belly color but the base color on his back and side is a light green almost and it has lots of black round spots all over his body. The fish has a big head compared to it's body with a very wide mouth (it looks like a kid smileing from ear to ear) The mouth is straight forward not down turned at all. It has also 2 short barbels (1 on each side). It has 1 short triangular shaped dorsal fin that's almost clear in color at this stage. Like I said not to be found during the day but at night when all lights are out it is swiming circles like crazy just under the water surface all the way up top of my 80 gallon tank. I hope the discription helps. I have looked at close to 200 pics already but not knowing with which family to start it's very time consuming. Thanks for any replies.

CEfire · Post by **CEfire** » 18 Jan 2006, 02:57

Sounds like a spotted Raphael to me. Check the common name Raphael or "doradid" I think.

Chrysichthys · Post by **Chrysichthys** » 18 Jan 2006, 14:03

I think it might be .

Reiner · Post by **Reiner** » 18 Jan 2006, 15:44

The body shape of the last fish posted is very close to it but the color of the fish is off. Mine has a light underside and a greenish base color with dark black dots all over the body except for the underside of the fish.

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 18 Jan 2006, 15:51

I don't know anything about these, but maybe this one?

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Mats

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 18 Jan 2006, 17:14

Hi Reiner,
My bet would be Tatia perugiae. This one sits in Auchenipteridae too. Have a look.
Btw: I think you need to add your location

coelacanth · Post by **coelacanth** » 18 Jan 2006, 20:21

Marc van Arc wrote:My bet would be Tatia perugiae. This one sits in Auchenipteridae too.

I'd bet on this one as well. Try feeding some glassworm (white mosquito larvae) just after lights out, this is the kind of food that this species really enjoys. They have been bred, check out the Cat-elog for more details, it might inspire you to get some more and see if yours will breed!

Reiner · Post by **Reiner** » 18 Jan 2006, 23:22

That's it. Thanks guys. The profile says that they only get to 2.5". When I bought it the guy asked me in what size tank it will go I told him first in my 80 gallon and then the 180 gallon. He said good and told me that it will grow to about 18 inches or maybe a bit more

Waldo · Post by **Waldo** » 19 Jan 2006, 01:49

very interesting cat. the male useing a external sexual organ internally pregnates the female. She then leaves the eggs on a flat surface. I don't beleive they are a member of the tatia any more. Other common names are Oil cat, and giraffe cat. May be listed as aceitero.

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 19 Jan 2006, 07:54

Reiner wrote: He told me that it will grow to about 18 inches or maybe a bit more

He probably confuses it with Ageneiosus magoi

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 19 Jan 2006, 07:58

Waldo wrote: I don't beleive they are a member of the tatia any more. Other common names are Oil cat, and giraffe cat. May be listed as aceitero.

Yes they are Tatia. However, they have been in Centromochlus for some time.
I've seen them listed as Novia.

Waldo · Post by **Waldo** » 19 Jan 2006, 17:45

Tatia Novia are Tatia brunnea. How could they get mixed up?

Chrysichthys · Post by **Chrysichthys** » 20 Jan 2006, 13:50

Waldo wrote:the male useing a external sexual organ internally pregnates the female

Are you saying that these fish actually f------ uh, sorry, copulate?

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 20 Jan 2006, 16:23

Waldo wrote:Tatia Novia are Tatia brunnea. How could they get mixed up?

Imo novia is a native name and by any means invalid as a Latin name.
I've seen lists and pictures with Auchenipterids having names like novia zapato, novia tijera, novia zevallos etc.
The zapato is a Trachycorystes species, the tijera a proper Tatia species and the zevallos a Trachelyopterus species. So the name is not just meant for Tatias.
I bought a Tatia novia guiana in Germany, which turned out to be an unknown Trachelyopterus.
I don't have that list anymore, but you may check the site of Neotropicalfauna.com (which lists fish from Peru) for some pictures.

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 20 Jan 2006, 16:26

Chrysichthys wrote:
Waldo wrote:the male useing a external sexual organ internally pregnates the female
Are you saying that these fish actually f------ uh, sorry, copulate?

Yes, most (if not all) Auchenipterids do. Like guppies and other live-bearers

Waldo · Post by **Waldo** » 20 Jan 2006, 17:20

That is what they show up on my species list as, however when the farmers are talking about a certain sp, they generally use there common names. If I were to say poppy flower, Flower may be a general term. You know which one I'm talking about right? I'm thinking the mix up had to come somewhere outside of the farming... like dang it what did I order..... ummm maybe it was Oil cats. oh well.

Novia pijuayo Liosomodoras morrowi
Novia common Tatia sp.
Novia zapato Trachycorydtas trachycorystes
Novia zapato baby Trachycorydtas trachycorystes
Novia tijera Tatia sp. tijer
Novia tatia Tatia brunnea
Novia Zevallos Tatia aulopygia

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 20 Jan 2006, 19:00

That explains a lot. Thanks