As Promise: Pics of Hypancistrus sp "Hybrid" (L66-

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 07 Feb 2003, 16:46

Hi everyone!

Well as I promise here are the pictures I took of this crossbreeding between a male L66 and a female L136.
Just to tell you more about it both species are present in the tank with a good sex ratio.

The female laid about 20 eggs, I suspect it took around 7-8 days for them to hatch at a T° of 29°c, the young are smaller in size than the young Hypancistrus sp L28 at the same stage. The young took about 3 weeks to resorb the yolk sac and once this done, suddenly started to die in good number, stil one was save to make him grow so the colouration could be referenced. The young died for unknow reason despite being raised the same way the young Hypancistrus sp L28 had been, maybe it is a defficience in the immune system due to the crossbreeding.
The one I have saved is growing rather well, eating bloodworms and spirulinea tabs.
His coloration has greatly change since his early days as you can see, the doubt about the possibilty of crossbreeding was very important when he was really young but since 1 month he had show clearly distinct colouration, exibiting colour features of both parents.

2 weeks old young still absorbing their yolk sac

Colouration after 2 months

cheers
Yann

T · Post by T » 07 Feb 2003, 17:29

Interseting, I take it the parent species are quite closely related.

El Loricadio · Post by **El Loricadio** » 07 Feb 2003, 18:26

WOW! ! ! interesting experiment , but he probable will be sterile i don't like the idea of hybridation

there's nothin like nature!! I hope this was an accident and not intentional. even out in the wild accidents can occur but it's nature.

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 07 Feb 2003, 18:42

Hi!

Yes it is an accident... I highly dislike every breeding form of any type of fish even albinos form. I try to keep my fish the better way and when breeding them, trying to keep the strain as pure as possible! I am 100% against Hybrid!!! This accident happen and I ain't really proud of it, still I think it is a good thing to keep at least one to make a few pics just to know how he look like! So if someday, someone has such thing and try to sell them we would be aware of how it look like!
Cheers
Yann

Post by **Dinyar** » 07 Feb 2003, 21:46

It may well be a hybrid, but before we arrive at a final conclusion, why not wait till the fish matures?

Dinyar

Ben · Post by **Ben** » 08 Feb 2003, 08:08

how odd Yann! I wouldn't have thought they'd have chosen to pair off, but I suppose since they are both of the Hypancistrus genus, it's not that much of a difference. I gather it isn't all that uncommon in Peckoltia... I'm very curious to see how your Hybrid's marking devlope...with one parent being striped, and the other spotted, maybe...broken stripes

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 08 Feb 2003, 21:40

Hi Ben!

Me either I would not have thought of this possible. Both species has a different adult size, colour morph and slightly different body shape. Things is coming from different rivers, there is no genetic protection, things I was not to much aware of!
As I see things, the L136 male was being probably dominated by this L66 male and the female might have seen him as a possible father. The problem is now why would have this male allowed this female in his cave!!!! He was ready for spawning as he use a cave and L66 male do not use such thing unless ready for breeding. So the problem might come with the L66 female being not ready for breeding!
Just my thoughts on this!
Cheers
Yann

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 14 Jun 2003, 19:25

Hi!

As requested by König Lowe, here is a little update on the little guy!
I have released him in the main tank to enable proper growth.
he is now close of 2 inches long.
The colour has change a bit, the black colour has highly taken over as the base coloration, the white lines are turning thinner and shorter to almost spots like...still it has a distinctive marking that differenciate him from his parents!
I'll try to take a shot of him and post it here!
Cheers
Yann

Plec0maniac · Post by **Plec0maniac** » 17 Jun 2003, 00:53

hi i think that thery are beautiful..

I also disagree with hybrids.. but indeed thesse are accidents we cant avoid..

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 17 Jun 2003, 22:52

Hi,
itÂ´s not a must that two different L-Numbers are two different species ;)
BTW: I know crossbreeding between Hypancistrus sp L-28 and L-129 and between Hypancistrus zebra L-46 and Hypancistrus sp. L-98, the fishe grew up and did not die.

König Löwe · Post by **König Löwe** » 17 Jun 2003, 22:56

I thought the L-98 was just a colour morph off the L-46... At least according to a norwegian breeder of L-46.

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 17 Jun 2003, 22:58

YouÂ´re right, KÃ¶nig LÃ¶we,
thatÂ´s why I said, itÂ´s not a must, that two different L-numbers are two different species.

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 08 Dec 2003, 19:03

Well!

A little update.

Here is a pic of the remaining young. Notice how the colouration of the body has almost turn spot like , like the pattern of the female (L136) also notice the pattern of the fins which are like the fins of the father (L66)

Cheers
Yann

Post by **Barbie** » 08 Dec 2003, 19:08

I wonder how long it will be before someone is purposely trying to reproduce your accident to "create" more of those pretty little guys, lol. He's a cutie

I once had some mbuna cross spawn (the P.saulosi female was colored like a male, even after she was holding P. demasoni bastard children). I let her spit in the main tank, in order to eradicate the hybrids. Wouldn't you know, 3 survived for me to have to euthanize when I tore down the tank a few months later. If the fry had been P. demasoni they'd never have survived. Go figure.

Barbie

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 09 Dec 2003, 18:36

Barbie wrote:I wonder how long it will be before someone is purposely trying to reproduce your accident to "create" more of those pretty little guys, lol. He's a cutie

Barbie

Well!
Because of this I have hestitated for quite a long time before posting or writting anything about it but then I thought if such fish would exist, I would like to know how they are looking like so I won't buy any.

I hope nobody will do such stupid thing... better not because I will ask for the copyright... lol

I found my normal strains way much prettier than this one... even if I must admitt he is quite cute...

Cheers
Yann

PauloSR · Post by **PauloSR** » 16 Jul 2004, 10:54

Walter wrote:I know crossbreeding between ... Hypancistrus zebra L-46 and Hypancistrus sp. L-98, the fishe grew up and did not die.

L-46 and L-98 is the same specie Hypancistrus zebra. L-98 and L-173 are variants of Hypancistrus zebra. Soâ?¦ This cross is normal.
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Paulo

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 26 Jul 2004, 10:54

Hi Paulo,
I know ;)
But who knows, what other LÂ´s are equal or different species? (What is a species? ;) ...)
L 28 and L 129 is crossbreeding, probably, ...
L 98? Who has ever seen a L 98? I know one of the three specimen been imported of these "miscolored" Zebras, itÂ´s > 10 years of age and still sitting in his tank near Munich at Transfish, spawning with "normal" Hypancistrus zebra females, and the F 1 is colored "normally Zebra - like" (but I do not know about any F 2Â´s and their color).