new fish tank

[CatfishPownage63]

the jack.D will get 8 in. same with green terror

pimelodus blochii (i loved mine so much i want another)

liosomadoras oncinus (you said it was a great choice)

i also really wanted but isn't a catfish mastacembelus erythrotaenia (fire eel)

[Viktor Jarikov]

I think the catfish choices can work.

You need more advice on the fire eel. It's a fun, spectacular fish. Perhaps, I am alone in this but I had huge problems with mine. I tried 3 times, one of them was over a foot. None ate anything in my care. I offered anything and everything I could, save live feeders. None of them ate anything til their deaths. But again, I saw/am aware of people keeping fire eels just fine, so you need to hear from them.

Peacock eel (grows ony to 6"-8"?) is too small to be housed with the cats you've chosen and even the sun cats you already have. He'd be eaten sooner or later.

[CatfishPownage63]

well he is 8.75 in.(and still growing) and I've seen vary large species if they get 6 to 8 in. and the largest one I've ever seen was 16 in. ! that someone turned in at Phoenix tropical fish and i was told they get a 12 in. so guess we'll just wait and see and my sun cat has just hit 7 in.! and where i'm getting my jaguar cat the size they are being sold as is 3 to 4 in. and for 30 bucks is that a good deal? i was also thinking about schilbe intermedius (i've kept only one but i didn't know he was a shoaling fish even at the obvious hint that he looked like a glass cat but he mysteriously died with red lips like some put lipstick on him he was also gasping at the top when i even had a blubber

p.s this is what my tank looks like

[Viktor Jarikov]

CP: well he is 8.75 in.(and still growing) and I've seen vary large species if they get 6 to 8 in. and the largest one I've ever seen was 16 in. ! that someone turned in at Phoenix tropical fish and i was told they get a 12 in. so guess we'll just wait and see
VJ: I was speaking off the top of my head. I may be wrong. I have had only a couple of those long time ago.

CP: and where i'm getting my jaguar cat the size they are being sold as is 3 to 4 in. and for 30 bucks is that a good deal?
VJ: yes.

CP: i was also thinking about schilbe intermedius (i've kept only one but i didn't know he was a shoaling fish even at the obvious hint that he looked like a glass cat but he mysteriously died with red lips like some put lipstick on him he was also gasping at the top when i even had a blubber
VJ: they are a nice cat but IMO will be too big and too active (need swimming room) for your tank.

[CatfishPownage63]

thank you so much for helping me through this fiasco and also not to go in repetitive circles,but dose ompok bimaculatus really 18 in.?

[Viktor Jarikov]

Bimaculatus is likely not available in the trade, as our Indian fish encyclopedia Balaji told me recently http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... it=+scampi

I have no reason to doubt the Cat-eLog - 18" SL.

I remember someone posting pics from a market with huge ompoks laying around, 1.5'-2' TL... or maybe those were walagos? Can't recall.

Three of my Ompoks are/were siluroids, never grew beyond 10" TL: http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... lit=+ompok

There is nice collective thread on Ompoks on MFK.

[Shovelnose]

I remember someone posting pics from a market with huge ompoks laying around, 1.5'-2' TL...

I take it you are referring to these images -

Ompok pabda

. I don't remember how large they were off hand but none of the specimens were close to 2 feet in length. A friend is native to Calcutta (and is also a member of Planet). I will as him what size these fish reach.

[Viktor Jarikov]

This may be it. Thanks, Balaji. Cat-eLog says padba does not exceed 1'. I guess it is misleading how big they look in those pics.

[CatfishPownage63]

i can now see ware ompok siluroides gets its silur in its name actually i wasn't looking at o.bimaculatus they were selling o.siluroides as o.bimaculatus

so tell me if i herd you correct so o.siluroides is not going to exceed 10" ? because i love them them because they look like little wels catfish and i was hoping to get one because they're just so interesting and i have also always been fascinated by the whole ompok family

[CatfishPownage63]

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to me these look more like ompok bimaculatus

[Viktor Jarikov]

so tell me if i herd you correct so o.siluroides is not going to exceed 10" ?

I'd never generalize like that. All I said that mine, about 4-year olds, have been at 10" for a long while. I'd not dare to predict the future. Cat-eLog says they too may reach 18" SL (~20" TL). I wish mine did but time will show.

Anyway, there is only one of mine left. He eats very well. One got eaten 2 years ago and the third, the albino, got eaten 2 months ago. My housing mistakes.

They are fascinating to watch, I agree

[CatfishPownage63]

oh my god i got my first sun cat 2 years ago,he was 2 in. when we got him,and now he is 7.5 in. eating machine, when clean the tank i can't look away from the tank or else he will:swim into the gravel cleaner and do some kind of glass catfish/belly dance or he'll try to establish a pecking order with my hand and sometimes he will try to eat my fingers ,but now he treats my slightly smaller sun cat as if he were his own offspring

[Shovelnose]

to me these look more like ompok bimaculatus

Nope, these are O.pabda.

[CatfishPownage63]

but i thought ompok pabda had stripes running from head to tail? or is that because the picture that you posted were caught from the wild and the picture in the cat-e-log were in a aquarium?

[CatfishPownage63]

i have also been introduced to a vary intriguing pleco species,and he probably my second favorite catfish because my favorite is clupisoma prateri,but pleco specie particular is planiloricaria cryptodon or the spoon face whiptail

[CatfishPownage63]

here are some more spechies was thinking of plus the ones i already thought of

liosomadoras oncinus

pimelodus blochii

ompok siluroides

goeldiella eques

L128

planiloricaria cryptodon (he might be rare but he is so cool)

synodontis angelica

L177

L200

[CatfishPownage63]

hello?

[Viktor Jarikov]

What are you aiming at? A collection of one of each? Please specify the intended numbers at some point based on your safe stock levels. Your suncat would do the best in a company of at least 5 more. This will not leave much room for new fish. Your call, of course.

liosomadoras oncinus
****Excellent, as discussed, but a hider. I recommend 3-4.

pimelodus blochii
****Ok (grows a bit too large but will take a long time before you have to upgrade).

ompok siluroides
*****Good. I'd also get at least a few.

goeldiella eques
*****Very nice cat but grows bigger than blochii.

synodontis angelica
****Good. Better to leave at one specimen.

IDK anything about the loricaiids.

[CatfishPownage63]

wait so pimelodus blochii going to get bigger than 10 in. because i was told 10 in. and i thought g.eques was going to get 14 in.

[donpetty]

I keep the planiloricaria cryptodon your interested in;
I would not at all recommend them for any sort of community.
My fish are skittish at best. I was forced to temporarily house them in my 120g with some
Clown barbs for a while as I replaced a leaking 55 gallon tank that they are housed in and I lost one, maybe not directly because of the barbs but, they do not move fast enough to compete for the worms or repashy that they eat. They do grow larger so in that respect I see them as a cool larger “show” fish, but, not for a community such as your considering.
Also, my fish relish sand substrate as they walk along the bottom and hunt for worms, they also bury themselves at the fist sign of commotion, which in my case includes even a Cory cat swimming by them.
Don

[CatfishPownage63]

i have sand for substrate already and thanks for the info i'll lean more agenst the L128 and L200 because they are probably easier the the spoon face whiptail

[Viktor Jarikov]

wait so pimelodus blochii going to get bigger than 10 in. because i was told 10 in. and i thought g.eques was going to get 14 in.

As you stated on page 3 bottom, your tank's 16" wide on the outside, which means the longest fish you can keep according to the rule of thumb is only 8" TL. Blochii is listed as 10" SL max. Mine biggest was a bit over a foot TL.

So IMO, blochii, suncat and other ~1 foot long fish are a big stretch. Again, IMO.

If you knew that your tank's 16" and G. eques can hit 14", that means you are not aiming for the 4xL by 2xL rule, right? I am merely trying to understand what quidelines you chose for yourself. Horseface cat grows to 11.5" SL max according to the Cat-eLog, so yes, about 14" TL.

Perhaps blochii, suncat, horseface cat could stunt a bit in a small tank and never grow to their full potential. I'd not deliberatey go for that or count on that. This is not the kind of practice recommended by the experts in the proper and humane recreational fish keeping.

Just trying to help you, CatfishPownage, in my awkward ways.

[CatfishPownage63]

the demenions were just my hypothisis if you want the demenions here they are after mesureing the demenions are:48 in.L 20 in.W 25 in.T

[Richard B]

I keep the planiloricaria cryptodon your interested in;
I would not at all recommend them for any sort of community.

I agree - supercool fish but specialist tank only

[Viktor Jarikov]

the demenions were just my hypothisis if you want the demenions here they are after mesureing the demenions are:48 in.L 20 in.W 25 in.T

That does not answer my question.

[CatfishPownage63]

ok i'm sorry for not understading your quistion can please repete it to me?

[Viktor Jarikov]

If you knew that your tank's 16" and G. eques can hit 14", that means you are not aiming for the 4xL by 2xL rule, right? I am merely trying to understand what guidelines you chose for yourself.

[CatfishPownage63]

you are right by saying i'am not aiming for the rule of thumb,but IMO the biggest fish i would put in the tank would be 15 maybe 16 in. but that is again just my opinion

[Viktor Jarikov]

So, I assume your fish lists are about 1. the individual care and 2. compatibility, both the water/care/keeping conditions and tankmates.

[CatfishPownage63]

1 what? sorry agian for not understanding