Help!!! L205 is sick...

caril · Post by **caril** » 15 Jan 2003, 06:08

this is not the first time i'm posting the problem, hope that u can help...
2 of my L205 has white spots.
one of them has white spots initially but now the white spots are getting fewer and there are white patches on both side of body. anyone any idea what is it???
ph 6.5
temp 30-31 for treatment purposes.
water change 20-30% daily (adding anti-chlorine and blackwater each time)
10-20 drops of medication for ich every 2 days.
tank capacity is 140 litres.
please help!!!

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 15 Jan 2003, 06:49

Hi!

I don't know what medication you are using but you have to stick up with the notice!

Don't change water every day, waterchange should be made once the treatment is done, your waterchange will make a drop of T° in the tank, it will also stress the fish and dissolved the medication making it not usefull.

Be carefull as Ich can be also a sign a bacterial infection...

Cheers
Yann

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 15 Jan 2003, 08:31

Hi!

I wonder if you checked the papers with the medication for i cant see that they make you stuff that you do? When medicating you should stop putting water quality enhancers in cauz most of them bind medication...also you should remove any active carbon from your filter...
good luck

caril · Post by **caril** » 15 Jan 2003, 09:53

thanks for the advice...
but someone has told me to do a 20-30% water change everyday to remove cyst that are at the bottom of the tank.
i will stop doing the water change everyday and see if it helps.

polkadot · Post by **polkadot** » 15 Jan 2003, 10:45

Hi Caril,

What is the cyst you're saying that is on the tank bottom? For treatment, I would usually do many small water changes daily (not too much to stressed the sick fish up) or large water change after a few days. I would advise the latter only if you're putting the fish in a seperate tank where you know the filtration is not going to be enough.

What filter are you using? Some filter medium, eg some kind of wools, carbon, do asorb the medication so the medication gets milder than what you're put! (BUT DONT OVERDOSE KNOWING THAT!)

STINGRAY · Post by **STINGRAY** » 15 Jan 2003, 20:45

Hi, what are the dosage instructions on the medication you are using? Although it is wise to sometimes under dose, as some medication is not tolerated, by certain fish, you may find that the dose you are using is not fully killing the parasite in all stages. That is why it keeps returning. Are you using live food? I recently discovered an L14 with patches and just by changing feeding and tankmates fish improved rapidly.

caril · Post by **caril** » 16 Jan 2003, 02:20

the instruction states 18 drops per 20 litres.
my tank is 140 litres, so i should put 186 drops.
but i only add 30 drops daily.
i feeding them algae wafer and frozen bloodworms.

Easy · Post by **Easy** » 16 Jan 2003, 02:34

18 drops per 20 litres?
so isn't that supposed to be 126 drops for a 140 litre tank and not 186???

and remember...your tank contains other materials aside from water so assuming that it could carry 140 litres...you should put less than 126 drops.

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 16 Jan 2003, 06:31

Caril!!

You should stick to the instruction,if you put 30 drops daily, it is normal you have not seen any thing better with them... you can underdose but not that much...

With so little the medication will have no effetc on the disease!!!
It is really important to stick with the instruction, these medication have been studied to be use in such way:
To much Underdosing: no effects
Overdosing: kill the disease along the fish
CHeers
Yann

caril · Post by **caril** » 16 Jan 2003, 06:36

sorry for the wrong calculation.
i will remedy the problem rite away.

Easy · Post by **Easy** » 16 Jan 2003, 06:46

I do hope they'd get well real soon

caril · Post by **caril** » 16 Jan 2003, 10:14

i noticed one of the infected plecos with white patches on it and it starts to peel off bit by bit.
they look very lively still, not like they are sick...

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 16 Jan 2003, 11:36

Hi!

Could be dure to hyper secretion of muccus. Usually not a really good sign!
Wish that they will do much better!
Keep us update!

Cheers
Yann

caril · Post by **caril** » 17 Jan 2003, 10:07

status update:
the white spots are disappearing after i increased the dosage.
but they are not as lively as before.
for the pleco with white patches, the white patches are not as clear now.
i think its peeling off slowly.
i feel that they are getting better though.
hope that my instinct is correct.

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 17 Jan 2003, 10:30

hi

it doesnt mean its cured just because the spots go away...thats part of the cycle as they drop to the ground...but its a good sign!

The white patches are imho fungus...as a secondary infection!

good luck

caril · Post by **caril** » 19 Jan 2003, 09:17

thanks for the advice guys,
my L205s are on their way towards full recovery.

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 19 Jan 2003, 12:06

HI!

Glad to hear that your fish are doing better now.
Cheers
Yann