where did plecofanatics go?

MTS · Post by **MTS** » 11 Oct 2009, 08:53

one person I spoke to has never had a problem logging in and even logged in on another computer and did not use a bookmarks etc.

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 11 Oct 2009, 09:59

MTS wrote:one person I spoke to has never had a problem logging in and even logged in on another computer and did not use a bookmarks etc.

Using bookmarks has got nothing to do with it and neither does which computer you use. I think this might be mistaken - unless the site is being moved from one host to another, that would explain why some parts of the internet would see it before others.

However, it just plain looks down to me.

Jools

jerry58 · Post by **jerry58** » 11 Oct 2009, 12:34

Hi
I have no clue to this but seen on other sites it may be down to using new or old cookies to enter the site.????

Jerry

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 12 Oct 2009, 15:32

jerry58 wrote:Hi
I have no clue to this but seen on other sites it may be down to using new or old cookies to enter the site.????

Jerry

Yes, but as far as I can tell, the site is still unavailable. It may be that if you know the IP address of the original server and connect to it that way, you could still get there. But the DNS (Domain Name Server) certainly leads to advertising similar to a closed shop in a mall saying "Sorry, this shop is closed, new business welcome, and please go visit other stores".

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Mats

KnaveTO · Post by **KnaveTO** » 12 Oct 2009, 22:59

It is sad to see a site I have supported dissappear. I vagely remember seeing something a month or so back about backing stuff up, and I meant to go back to deal with it. However completely forgot. I am sad to have lost some contacts that were in my PM section, will have to see if I can recreate some of them via PayPal as I bought some stuff off them.

I have to wonder though... what was happening with the subsription money that those of us who supported the site went.

CanadaPleco · Post by **CanadaPleco** » 13 Oct 2009, 04:18

I am also slowly copying over the articles from PF onto my site
http://www.canadapleco.com/articles.php?c=37

Hopefully the site will be back online sometime in the future, but until then at least I'll have a backup of their articles.

MTS · Post by **MTS** » 13 Oct 2009, 08:20

Jools wrote:
MTS wrote:one person I spoke to has never had a problem logging in and even logged in on another computer and did not use a bookmarks etc.
Using bookmarks has got nothing to do with it and neither does which computer you use. I think this might be mistaken - unless the site is being moved from one host to another, that would explain why some parts of the internet would see it before others.

However, it just plain looks down to me.

Jools

I am not sure how he is doing it but he IS getting in. He has updated one of my posts as I received notification by email. It seems odd that he googled it on another computer and got in.

How are you getting in Canada plec?

Dukerider · Post by **Dukerider** » 13 Oct 2009, 10:18

I am not sure how he is doing it but he IS getting in. He has updated one of my posts as I received notification by email. It seems odd that he googled it on another computer and got in.

The reasons he's getting in is due to one of two reasons, the ttl value associated with the dns record(incidentally it was those in the US which were first redirected, followed by the UK and Aus a couple of days later) and the other reason is that some of the users have kept themselves logged in since the problems started.

I have to wonder though... what was happening with the subsription money that those of us who supported the site went.

The subscription service had an issue many months prior to the domain name being redirect and one of the last things the owner did was to turn it off. His last visit was back in February so it's not really an issue.

PlecoCrazy · Post by **PlecoCrazy** » 13 Oct 2009, 12:58

Well if there are still people who can log in; if they go to a dos prompt and type "ping -a www.plecofanatics.com" it should resolve to an ip address and if someone where to post the ip address then others may be able to access the site and download their articles.

bronzefry · Post by **bronzefry** » 13 Oct 2009, 13:03

I got an e-mail from one of the PF moderators this morning. Part of it is below:

"Amanda,
I'm sure you've heard by now that Plecofanatics.com has disappeared. The site owner let the domain name expire and it is now held by a squatter company.
I have just started my own website, http://www.plecoworld.org, to try to fill the void left by PF in the hobbyist community. This is a new adventure for me, and I expect that my experience as a Sr. Mod at PF will definitely help me.

......"

So, Leslie, one of the moderators is starting up her own website. I just registered over there. I met her at our club's last auction. She's got a nice variety of catfishies and is an overall great person. Without any prompting, she just came over and said,"what needs to be done." We like people like that!

Amanda

Dukerider · Post by **Dukerider** » 13 Oct 2009, 14:27

plecoplanet is also another site set-up by a PF Mod as well as pleconation.com which is also by a Senior Mod of PF and is going online shortly...

Well if there are still people who can log in; if they go to a dos prompt and type "ping -a www.plecofanatics.com" it should resolve to an ip address and if someone where to post the ip address then others may be able to access the site and download their articles.

btw, this won't work.

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 13 Oct 2009, 14:46

Dukerider wrote:btw, this won't work.

Why not - if the local DNS server has the old IP-address of the plecofanatics site, then it will have the IP address of the server (until the lease on the server runs out). Of course, if the user is currently logged in, and not done a DNS lookup for a long time, then it may not work.

And of course, it doesn't work if you are behind some sort of firewall that is used to protect against ping's and such. But if you know the IP address of a machine that is somewhere on the internet, it will work to access it via the IP address directly, even if the DNS has moved it elsewhere.

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Mats

Dukerider · Post by **Dukerider** » 13 Oct 2009, 15:48

ping -a is a reverse lookup so should be used for addresses to hostnames, so the switch isn't required.

The average TTL of a DNS record on the web is approx 24hrs which makes us about 6 days too late roughly.

But if you know the IP address of a machine that is somewhere on the internet, it will work to access it via the IP address directly,

Yes this would work if the website has a dedicated server. If it's shared hosting this won't work.

All this only works though if you have the original IP of the server, which apparently no-one has or knows of anyone who's still logged in to get the details.
If you did have the original IP though, then the easiest solution would be to just add it to your host file.

PlecoCrazy · Post by **PlecoCrazy** » 13 Oct 2009, 15:55

It should give you an ip one way or another. Just pinging should also work as said "ping plecofanatics.com" you could also try "tracert plecofanatics.com". What was the result of the ping. It should say something like "Pinging plecofanatics.com [69.64.147.212] with 32 bytes of data" the number in brackets is what we need. Hopefully you don't get the same number I posted cause that's the new one that doesn't work.

CanadaPleco · Post by **CanadaPleco** » 13 Oct 2009, 16:39

I am not getting onto PF, I am using google cache, and its a royal pain in the butt to get these articles, but I figured it would be worth it. Beats them being gone forever.

scatz · Post by **scatz** » 13 Oct 2009, 18:03

CanadaPleco wrote:I am not getting onto PF, I am using google cache, and its a royal pain in the butt to get these articles, but I figured it would be worth it. Beats them being gone forever.

do you have the permission from all of the authors of the articles to put them on your forum?

zcliff · Post by **zcliff** » 13 Oct 2009, 18:53

Yes I have been talking to Leslie since PF went down, and since I am a big seller on the site I was shocked that they would drop the ball or allow the domain to fail. I have been unable to find the new site plecoworld.org. I was told that this forum had a link, I think your all great to help out another group of pleco addicts. I thank you for having this discussion and allowing it to continue. Planetcatfish is a very special forum and I for one give you a big thanks.

scottie73 · Post by **scottie73** » 13 Oct 2009, 18:54

he certainly hasn't got my permission for my article!!!

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 13 Oct 2009, 19:38

It's maybe a silly question, but why don't all you refugees hang out here?

Jools

zcliff · Post by **zcliff** » 13 Oct 2009, 19:41

OK, happy to put the drgold article on Planet, just need to be sent it from the man himself

Hey Jools,
DrGold is my Buddy and will shoot him the request.
Larry

chrisdef15 · Post by **chrisdef15** » 14 Oct 2009, 01:30

It's maybe a silly question, but why don't all you refugees hang out here?

Jools"

While its only my personal opinion one of the biggest let downs on this site is the buy/sell section. It would be alot better setup like PF with different sections for different countries. I realise you have tried getting people to list where they are and that you dont get as much traffic in the for sale section as PF but its def something to consider if you wanna get more interest from people outside the US and UK.
The knowlege side of this site is great and i dont think any other site comes close to matching it so no worries there, but atleast from an Aussie point of view the Buy/sell section on PF was its biggest drawcard.

Jackster · Post by **Jackster** » 14 Oct 2009, 03:27

Hey Zcliff maybe try this link?

http://www.plecoworld.org/

psionic001 · Post by **psionic001** » 14 Oct 2009, 04:11

Currently applying CPR.....

http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=308915

jbmm · Post by **jbmm** » 14 Oct 2009, 05:42

ehr...
what was the topic anyway ....?

ppanther · Post by **ppanther** » 14 Oct 2009, 08:43

I have just paid the domains renewal on behalf of the owner (who is uncontactable) so the site should be back up and running within the next 48 hours. Don't forget to flush your dns (ipconfig /flushdns) and restart your browsers!

MTS · Post by **MTS** » 14 Oct 2009, 09:03

That was looked into in the past and the advice was that only the owner could renew it. If you have managed to do it you are a legend and it will be greatly appreciated by a lot of members.

ppanther · Post by **ppanther** » 14 Oct 2009, 09:09

They are just giving him a chance to respond:

Hello,
In this case our actions will be:
1) Please confirm that you have account with us and provided the funds in order to renew the domain.
2) We will inform the owner about renewal and proceed after letting him know.

The moneys in the account, they are just giving him 24 hours to respond.

In the meantime you can access it manually by modifying your hosts file - would be nice to have some company as I seem to be the only one on there :S
Add the following two lines to your c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts file:

65.38.173.164 plecofanatics.com
65.38.173.164 http://www.plecofanatics.com

You may have to flush your dns first and reopen your browser (in cmd type "ipconfig /flushdns")

MTS · Post by **MTS** » 14 Oct 2009, 10:07

Im in, woo hoo, thanks again panther

KnaveTO · Post by **KnaveTO** » 14 Oct 2009, 19:07

As a member of CanadaPleco I would just like to point out that at the time the owner of CP was just trying to do all a service and save as much information from the sinking ship. So please do not jump down his throat. The authors were all given credit in the articles with their name, and website of origin.

As to Jools's offer of hosting PlecoFanatics redux, I am all for it. Sorry but after the domain name fiasco I highly doubt I will return.

smithrc · Post by **smithrc** » 14 Oct 2009, 19:53

KnaveTO wrote:The authors were all given credit in the articles with their name, and website of origin.

No they weren't....

Please remove the DIY moonlight thread.

Its up and safe over on plecoplanet.com

Thanks.

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