lda19 or megaclown pleco

Plec0maniac · Post by **Plec0maniac** » 20 May 2003, 16:24

hi i was wondering what is the maximum size od an Lda19? bec in my last shipment, I received a 5inch megaclown, they were only 5 pcs. and 4 were around 2.5inches. I really thought that they were around 3-4inches

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 20 May 2003, 16:27

There allready was a thread sometime back...with the conclusion that its highly unlikely that LDA19 is ever exported. SO yours should be another fish. Got any pics?

Plec0maniac · Post by **Plec0maniac** » 21 May 2003, 09:45

ill try to post some pics

but it sure looks like an Lda19 to me

i might been lucky

T · Post by T » 21 May 2003, 23:57

Does it look anything like this??

Plec0maniac · Post by **Plec0maniac** » 22 May 2003, 06:26

i have to see again, cuz im getting a little confused with this and L270. I think mines a little more blacker...

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 22 May 2003, 11:32

Hi!

Well according to Erwin Schraml, a Hypancistrus sp that has yet no "L/LDA" number is being shiped out of Colombia. He differs a bit from the true LDA19 ( from Venezuela) by having less contrasted colour. But the general shape and body pattern is quite the same than what you see on the true LDA19.
The picture that have seen also show a sort of orange mark ibetween the eyes!
Cheers
Yann

Plec0maniac · Post by **Plec0maniac** » 22 May 2003, 13:25

hi yann, tnx for the info.. does this mean that the Lda19s that are currently shipped to us arent the tru Lda19???

L.Z · Post by **L.Z** » 22 May 2003, 14:11

Several months ago, I see related LDA19 the input, fish similar this web LDA33.

http://www.frybabies.com/rays.html

http://www.frybabies.com/pics/link_pics/LDA19-1.jpg LDA19 Picture

Is only in not similar Aqualog book LDA19, such beauty.

Other Planet Catfish discussion.

http://www.forum.planetcatfish.com/viewtopic.php?t=364

I thought on your fish similar this Japan WEB fish, only is he comes from" Rio Xing".

http://www.rva.ne.jp/gallary2/pleco/xing_g_t.htm

Plec0maniac · Post by **Plec0maniac** » 22 May 2003, 14:21

hi, in my previous shipment I got around 9pcs labelled as Lda19 and as i was observing them it seemed that there were three different patterns. One looks like an L204 but more elongated body with more strips, one is like the picture that was posted by Lz. and another was the darker one..

But in my last shipment, I was expecting 20pcs, but only 5 arrived and one of them was around 5inches! I never thought that this fish would reach this big..

but as I said there are three different patterns and colors of my so called Lda19..

Ill try to post some pics.. to be more specific

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 22 May 2003, 14:50

Hi!

I dont have the datz here (at my gf place) but i remeber a fairly big hypancistrus coming from the xingu L333? that could be this one...

and on amazon exotic imports theres this fish
http://www.amazon-exotic-import.de/Gall ... 0Tiger.jpg

Plec0maniac · Post by **Plec0maniac** » 22 May 2003, 16:06

nope, im not sure but i think the markings on the head are slightly different

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 23 May 2003, 06:47

Hi!

Well Obviously DATZ had it wrong on the catching place on L333 as Shane said it, it comes from Colombia.
These shipment of LDA19 are probably shipment of the Colombian population and not of the original venezuelian population.
Remeber L number not only ID a species but also its catching place!
Cheers
Yann

Transfish · Post by **Transfish** » 23 May 2003, 09:47

Hi Yann,

what are you trying to tell us?
L 333 is from Colombia????? L 333 is LDA 19 ???

AndrÃ©

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 23 May 2003, 11:18

Hi!

No!
What I am trying to say is that there is some confusing going on on the catching place of some fish.
I talked with Erwin Schraml about LDA19 several times, and many different Hypancistrus are found under that name but rarely the real one.
L333 is not LDA19: don't say what I haven't said...
I just wanted to point out that strangely L333 was wrongly reported from the Rio Xingu (or maybe there is a Rio Xingu in Colombia) and now some LDA19 are being said to come from that place.
LDA19 cannot come from the Rio Xingu as this code is for an Hypancistrus species form Venezuela...
As I said "L" and "LDA" number not only ID the fish but also its catching origin, for exemple it is known that some Loricariidae have several "L" number, of course it ID the same species but not the same Locality...
Is it wise to ID the fish only on its species name or also on its locality as it is quite commonly done for cichlids now...
Cheers
Yann

Transfish · Post by **Transfish** » 23 May 2003, 12:00

Yann,

L 333 comes from the Rio Xingu, Para, Brasil. Who gave you the information that the fish comes from Colombia?
LDA 19 was only exported from Venezuela, but they were collected on the colombian side of the Orinoco, like L 129.
There is no confusion, only problem is that wrong datas are published via internet.

AndrÃ©

Plec0maniac · Post by **Plec0maniac** » 23 May 2003, 12:27

tnx for the info guys..

ill try to observe them very well

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 24 May 2003, 14:21

Transfish wrote:
L 333 comes from the Rio Xingu, Para, Brasil. Who gave you the information that the fish comes from Colombia?

Shane Linder gave us this information in a previous topic...
If L333 comes from the Rio Xingu, why this L number when L66 is already an existing number for the same fish coming from the same river and when L236 from the Rio Iriri ( tributary of the Rio Xingu) is very close to L66...I don't see the point on having one more L number for the same fish...especially if it comes from the same river...

Transfish wrote: LDA 19 was only exported from Venezuela, but they were collected on the colombian side of the Orinoco, like L 129.

Yes LDA19 is from Venezuela, this is what I said, the population form Colombia is very close to the Venezuelian population but should get a different L number, there is slightly differences between the 2.

Transfish wrote: There is no confusion, only problem is that wrong datas are published via internet.

I agree that wrong datas are often published via the net, but Exportators, magazines have also their part in these confusion, especially when exportators are using the Aqualog book as a way of ID fish that fishermen bring to them... also wrong data are somtimes provide by exportators just in a matter to protect the catching place from potential concurent... fishermen can also provide wrong data in the same purpose or because of place confusion...

Or maybe that L333 name is just a way to make the old L66 price to raise up a bit...as it is a world of economic matters!!!

Cheers
Yann

Post by **Shane** » 24 May 2003, 15:10

Yann and Andre,
Let me check the photos that were published of L 333 again to be positive of my identification. There is a loricariid that, if it is not L 333, looks very similar that is coming out of the upper Orinoco. As to assigning L Numbers by country, this is not a good idea. Only humans respect political boundries while fish are restricted to river systems no matter how many countries their system passes through. Actually, and Andre can add more to this, there probably should be NO (or very few) loricariids with L Numbers from Venezuela as it is illegal to export wild fish from Venezuela. Most of the "Venezuelan" L Numbers are exported from Colombia (which made some Colombians angry when they saw the book). The only L Numbers from Venezuela would be photos of fish aquarists took while collecting in Venezuela.
-Shane

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 24 May 2003, 17:09

Shane!

I am not saying giving Lnumber regarding country but regarding river/river systems...the way it is suppose to be since the early days!

Cheers
Yann

Transfish · Post by **Transfish** » 24 May 2003, 18:19

Shane,

L 199 might be the fish you are talking about. L 199 is also a Hypancistrus spec.

All L-Numbers from Venezuela (introduced by Transfish) were collected in Venezuelan waters and legally exported out of Venezuela. The only fish in question is L 124-127 and L 129. Those fish had been possibly ( L 129 for sure comes from Rio Bita) collected in the area of Puerto Carreno and smuggled? to Puerto Ayacucho. L 128 is collected in the Orinoco itself ,mainly near Puerto Ayacucho .A lot of L 128 are still going from Puerto Ayacucho via Puerto Paez to Puerto Carreno and reach Bogota by plane.

The main catching place for L 91 ,L 199,L 200,L 201 ,L 202,L 235,L 239 ,240,241 etc. is still in Venezuela.-Orinoco River ,there is a small village â??Miniciaâ?

L.Z · Post by **L.Z** » 25 May 2003, 11:08

This fish is L236?

http://www.aquajapan.com/encyc/catfish/ ... 015_e.html

L236

http://www.l-welse.com/forum/index.php? ... =03&ID=241

http://www.planetcatfish.com/ilibrary/l ... /969_f.htm

Plec0maniac · Post by **Plec0maniac** » 25 May 2003, 15:28

hi L236 are really damn beautiful.. I got one by accident when a friend of myn hand carried a batch of L66 from H. kong.. I did a stupid move of placing it in my community tank, without quarantine! how i miss that fish

Post by **Shane** » 26 May 2003, 04:41

Andre,
You did not see any police or military because that area is not under government control. The Colombian Navy patrols south to the rapids at Samariapo, but beyond that you pretty much in FARC territory. The Colombian Army will only patrol right around Puerto Carreno and they get nervous when they can not turn around and still see the town. If you stick to the Venezuelan side it is a bit safer.
You might tell Ingo that the guide he used down in that area, A. Carreno, was shown on TV last year working as a liaision between the Venezuelan Navy and the FARC. I knew him through Norbert Flauger and was surprised to see him on TV.
You are correct that few Bogota exporters travel beyond Puerto Carreno, but it is for a good reason. I know that Oliver Lucanus has also been to Inirida, but given my "official status" in Colombia, it is very difficult for me to get that far up river.
-Shane

L.Z · Post by **L.Z** » 26 May 2003, 14:33

hi, Shane:

Thank you to say many related South America things, that was the precious information as it concerns me, extremely thank!

Transfish · Post by **Transfish** » 11 Jun 2003, 17:25

Post by **Shane** » 12 Jun 2003, 01:58

Andre (and others),
I looked at few pictures of L 333 around the internet and it is NOT the same as the small black and white loricariid that I have been seeing out of the Orinoco. I believe that the fish I am seeing is a variant pattern L 129. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for correcting me.
-Shane

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 14 Jun 2003, 20:02

Hi!

No problem Shane...
THanks for clearing that out!

Andre:

Do you have any information regarding how close or how far L333 is capture from L66 other than both comes from the Rio Xingu!?
Any natural barrier between the 2?

Cheers
Yann