Which Panaque sp. ?

Kostas · Post by **Kostas** » 04 Apr 2007, 10:09

Hello,
I have seen a beautifull royal at a Greek fish shop that i really want to buy and would like to id him first so that i know his origin before i buy him...
He is a royal pleco with red eye,normal stripping above and fully spotted belly...The markings at the dorsal fin are not the stripes you would see on a L190 but where the stripes would be there are small spots...What sp. is he and mainly,where does it come from?
Because there is quite a confussion on this subject,i would like anyone who know more on that to explaine a bit more...

Thank you very much in advance

CatBrat · Post by **CatBrat** » 04 Apr 2007, 12:44

A pic would help, but sounds liak a L330 to me.

Cheers, JAke.

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 04 Apr 2007, 13:00

Yes, L330 is striped on the top of the body when they are young, and the stripes "split" as they grow older.

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Mats

husky_jim · Post by **husky_jim** » 04 Apr 2007, 15:28

Hi Kostas.
In which particular fish you are referring to?

If it has a full spotted belly then i tend to agree with others as L330 (they have import such fish in the past in Greece)

Kostas · Post by **Kostas** » 04 Apr 2007, 18:12

Thank you all for your replys

We are talking about a fully grown fish that is well 25-30cm...So its not a juvie and his lines are not going to ''split'' into spots.
Arent L330s supposed to be fully spotted?Also my main concer is not the particular sp. but rather where he comes from...Is there any chance he may come from the Orinoco?
Jim,i am refering to the big specieman at Hydrocosmos that i have been watching and wanting some time now...He seems to be the same sp. with the Panaque strip+spot he regurarly imports...

Thank you in advance

Post by **Shane** » 04 Apr 2007, 18:39

Kostas,
The pattern is rather variable and changes with age. They are an Amazon population from northern Amazon tributaries in Colombia (Caqueta system).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caquet%C3%A1_Department
-Shane

Kostas · Post by **Kostas** » 04 Apr 2007, 21:55

Thank you very much for your reply Shane

So they come from the same area as L191?Do they come from the same river too?
Is there any chance they could be found in Orinoco too?

Thank you in advance

Post by **Shane** » 05 Apr 2007, 17:34

Kostas,
Check out this article.
http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworl ... cle_id=334

-Shane

Kostas · Post by **Kostas** » 16 Apr 2007, 16:08

Hi Shane,
I have read this article many times and love it but what exactly do you want me to see?I didnt found something for this fish...

Thank you very much in advance

Post by **Shane** » 21 Apr 2007, 09:56

I was trying to point out this.

"L 330 (DATZ 4/2003)

DATZ states that this form of P. nigrolineatus comes from the Rio Guejar, Colombia in the Orinoco basin. My contacts among the exporters of Colombia claim the fish comes from the Caqueta region, Amazon basin."

There is disagreement between what the German hobby books say and what Colombian exporters have told me.

-Shane

Kostas · Post by **Kostas** » 22 Apr 2007, 13:59

Thank you very much for the info Shane!

Unfortunately i believe your contacts more that the German hobby books and that makes them come from Caqueta region...
For which fish did you asked for:Full spotted L330 or the ones with spotted bellys and stripes above?

Thank you very much in advance

Post by **Shane** » 22 Apr 2007, 16:48

For which fish did you asked for:Full spotted L330 or the ones with spotted bellys and stripes above?

Both. I have seen fully spotted, half spotted, and striped with a spotted belly.
-Shane

Kostas · Post by **Kostas** » 11 Feb 2008, 18:54

Hi,
I am bringing up this topic again as i recently took some photos of the Panaque i was telling you about...So here they are...

So,now that you have a few photos of the Panaque i was asking you about,what do you think he is?Is he an L330 or something else?For those of you who have collected Panaque in their natural habitats,where do you think this fish comes from?What s the most likely catching location for such a Panaque from your experience?

Thank you very very much in advance

Kostas · Post by **Kostas** » 14 Feb 2008, 22:45

Anyone please?Is there something more you need to know and i am missing?If so,please ask...

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