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Angelicus variant?

Posted: 26 Feb 2003, 16:22
by Chrysichthys
I have a syno which is identical to S. angelicus in every respect, except instead of white spots on the body it has a pattern of white squiggles. Any idea what is going on? It was sold as S. ornatipinnis, but I don't believe that's what it is.

Posted: 26 Feb 2003, 16:25
by Silurus
There is considerable variation in the color pattern of <i>S. angelicus</i>, ranging from spots to squiggles.
A photo would help, but I would tend to think that what you have is indeed <i>S. angelicus</i>.

Posted: 26 Feb 2003, 19:00
by Sid Guppy
Watch the mouth!
Aside from other differences, they are easily distinguished by the mouth; angelicus has a 'regular' syno mouth with long whiskers; ornatipinnis has a 'suckerlike' mouth (protrudes downwards too) with shorter thinner whiskers, a bit likethe mouth of decorus/pleurops/brichardi.
And it's less dark in color too.
Years ago the 'lined' angelicus was described as a separate variety (Synodontis angelicus zonatus, or so) but this isn't true, since those lines almost always disappear when maturing; leaving the fish with the usual spotted pattern.

Posted: 26 Feb 2003, 20:37
by Dinyar
Both Silurus and SG are right. S. angelicus zonatus was described by none other than Poll, if I recall correctly, but in keeping with current practice, which disfavors "subspecies", is now just considered a synonym of S. angelicus.

Dinyar

Posted: 26 Feb 2003, 23:06
by STINGRAY
If this fish is small ie Juvenile it could be an atterimus (excuse spelling) S Ornatippinis is miles apart in comparison to angelicus.Ornatippinis are banded rather than spotted I think there is a good photo on the cat e log but I will try and send you a pic of mine. On the other hand it stands a very good chance of being a czech hybrid there have been some on the lists unfortunately labbeled as Ornatappinis but not the real mccoy.

Posted: 27 Feb 2003, 00:13
by Silurus
Unlikely to be <i>S. aterrimus</i> as they are very rarely imported.

Posted: 27 Feb 2003, 00:39
by Dinyar
Stingray may be on to something. I too have heard that there are lots of Czech-bred S. ornatipinnis out there. For all we know, Chrysichthys may be referring to some other bastardized fish.

Dinyar

angelicus

Posted: 27 Feb 2003, 21:28
by Tom
In Sands' Catfishes of The World there is a picture in a Volume 2 supplement. It is from his 1990 supplement and is labeled P1990/11. It shows an angelicus with many squiggly lines all over the body. It apparently was first pictured in Practical Fishkeeping in October,1988. Anyone else have access to this picture?

Posted: 05 Mar 2003, 13:50
by Chrysichthys
I've checked Axelrod's big fish atlas, and there are pics of angelicus with a combination of squiggles and spots. I think mine is just at the squiggly end of the spectrum. (It also has the feisty temperament of an angelicus).

Posted: 08 Apr 2003, 06:30
by ggdhazel
I might have an "atterimus"> Can't be 100% though. I recieved it as an angelicus, but it lacks any spots at all. Any other morpholigical feature I should look at to verify what it is for sure (fin ray count)? Im not familiar with its locality either; but if it is an angelicus it has a really cool pattern. Sorry no digital camera to take pictures with.

Posted: 08 Apr 2003, 10:01
by Silurus
<i>Synodontis aterrimus</i> has a much shorter body (similar in form to <i>S. nigriventris</i>) and lacks a distinct banding pattern on all fins when compared to <i>S. angelicus</i>.