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Snagged a group of "Tatia sp. Peru Green" from Jorge @ Nationwide Aquatics the other day. They were apparently very difficult to import, with a rather high mortality rate.
Looked like 1m4f, somehow; both sexes were there, thankfully. Unfortunately, one female killed themselves by jamming their face in the outtake of a mattenfilter jetlifter- rather weird death; never had that happen.
Anyhow, I'm now down to 4 fish- 1m3f. Hoping to breed the lot of them. Very nice captives; not problematic to keep.
I was wondering what species they were, though. They're the same fish once imported as Glanidium sp. 1 by Pier Aquatics, and ScotCat has them under the same name. A German site has them as Tatia sp.
Jorge said the fish were said to be Tatia by somebody, though I'm not sure who.
The fish in PC listed under seems awfully similar; might it be the same species?

Here's some pics I stole from Scotcat and the German site:

On a side note, I just lost three woodcats the other day- my last male Centromochlus "macracanthus" (sp. Peru), and my pair of C. musaicus, much to my great disappointment. Both musaicus finally succumbed to the odd fin erosion disease that took a female many years ago, and killed all of fishguy1978's musaicus. Looks like my orca aren't too far behind

Congrats on the purchase, but I'm sorry to read about your losses. Hopefully you can keep both sexes going.

I've seen them for sale before under the same name you bought them as, Tatia sp. Peru Green. I don't think they're a Glanidium, but I could be wrong.

Cheers,
Eric

bekateen wrote: ↑19 Nov 2024, 01:15 Congrats on the purchase, but I'm sorry to read about your losses. Hopefully you can keep both sexes going.

I've seen them for sale before under the same name you bought them as, Tatia sp. Peru Green. I don't think they're a Glanidium, but I could be wrong.

Cheers,
Eric

They don't exactly look like Glanidium to me, either, but Tatia isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I look at them. Larger woodcats are always, fun, though, and I like catfishes with striated patterns anyhow.
I have the corpse of the dead one frozen in a block of ice. Not sure what to do with the body; should I try taking it apart or something?

Is it in good shape?
It may be of use to me for research purposes, and I could probably get a closer look at a genus level.

I can't recall why we ended up putting these in Glanidium - happy to move to Tatia and add that new common name.

Yes, I agree, I do think 1 and 2 are the same species but one is from a 1990s picture taken in Peru by an exporter and the other is from the well documented import of these into Pier Aquatics that then went into a super tank in @wrasse 's fish house. So, I don't have that many pictures of it.

Do they often appear on lists now?

Cheers,

Jools

Catfish-ologist wrote: ↑19 Nov 2024, 17:54 Is it in good shape?
It may be of use to me for research purposes, and I could probably get a closer look at a genus level.

Unfortunately, no. I wish it were; perhaps the fish may have lived then.
The face was completely mangled, with nearly all the skin ripped off; eyes were also heavily scuffed and barely distinguishable from the white flesh of the fish. All barbels had eroded or torn off, and most of the skin was stripped from the body by a rather greedy Ancistrus. Only the fin rays were left on the fins by the time I got to the body. I believe the fish managed to wedge itself quite firmly, and panicked while trying to exit the tube, tearing itself up in the process.
In all fairness, though, the bone structure of the fish, which would likely have proven more valuable for genus determination, was left somewhat intact.
I tried looking for the frozen corpse yesterday, but couldn't find it, disappointingly enough. It should be somewhere, though. I'll let you know when I find it.

Jools wrote: ↑19 Nov 2024, 18:38 I can't recall why we ended up putting these in Glanidium - happy to move to Tatia and add that new common name.

Yes, I agree, I do think 1 and 2 are the same species but one is from a 1990s picture taken in Peru by an exporter and the other is from the well documented import of these into Pier Aquatics that then went into a super tank in @wrasse 's fish house. So, I don't have that many pictures of it.

Do they often appear on lists now?

Cheers,

Jools

Jorge mentioned that they pop up on lists very infrequently, and tend to die off easily during the import process; based on that, I'd assume they're still going to remain rather rare, disappointingly enough. Uncommon or newer woodcats seem to be progressively difficult to find, and so I jumped at the chance to snag a group of a species I hardly ever heard of before.
I actually don't know anyone other than him who had them listed as "T. sp. "Peru Green"; bit of a misleading name IMO, as the fish aren't the least bit green.

I do need to move them to a different tank sometime in the next few months, and would be happy to grab some
more detailed pics then, if that's something you'd like. They're rather reclusive during the day, and only the smallest female seems eager to eat when the lights are on. They don't even browse about in the late evening, too.

Should I expect the fish to put on at least another good 15cm in length or so? They're about 18-24cm at the moment.

I saw them at two exporters in Iquitos this last summer (August 2024). One of those was Green Fish Aquarium. They posted a video of the fish on Facebook, here: https://fb.watch/vZWM94UfYO/. The fish I saw there did have a green color, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was merely iridescence. IDK if it would persist to the home aquarium (like the normal iridescence of well conditioned corys) or if it would disappear over time as does the almost supernatural glow on some corys when wild caught.

Cheers,
Eric

bekateen wrote: ↑Yesterday, 19:02 I saw them at two exporters in Iquitos this last summer (August 2024). One of those was Green Fish Aquarium. They posted a video of the fish on Facebook, here: https://fb.watch/vZWM94UfYO/. The fish I saw there did have a green color, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was merely iridescence. IDK if it would persist to the home aquarium (like the normal iridescence of well conditioned corys) or if it would disappear over time as does the almost supernatural glow on some corys when wild caught.

Cheers,
Eric

Thanks! Very interesting info. Nice to hear that they're being exported, at least- they're quite lovely woodcats; far more pleasing to look at and watch than a lot of other more commonly available species of a similar size IMO. I'd personally love to see them available often; they'd be quite nice in a lot of larger Peruvian biotopes.
They look a lot more like Tatia in that video. Mine look weirdly elongate; perhaps they just need to gain some proper weight.
The 'green iridescence' you describe is intriguing. I have not noticed anything of the sort in mine; and can only hope that it may show up as they settle in better over time.

When I was in Peru in August, I really wanted to bring back a group of these, but at the time I had no viable import mechanism to the USA, so I passed on them.

Maybe next year.

Cheers, Eric