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After getting reassurance from other members, I ended up pulling the trigger and getting a group of 8 wc l397. They're smaller than I thought they'd be with most of them at ~9 cm SL but out of the 7 I was able to get a look at I have 3 confirmed males with hairy tales and then 4 unsexed/unsure. Do I have at least 1 female? I'm thinking I have 2-3 but would be nice to get some second opinions.

Thanks,
Seb

Hi Seb,

I agree those genital papillae look female on both fish. But dang, what's with the odontodes on that one "female?"

Good luck,
Eric

Less than 3 weeks later and I already have my first trapping ! The tanks above the garage and right after taking this picture someone opened it causing the male to dart out of the cave so I turned the lights off and I'll resist the urge to check the tank again until tomorrow hopefully they weren't thrown off too much. There's a lot of rain forecasted in the next week as well so fingers crossed.

If anyone is having trouble breeding panaqolus I can't recommend the use of wooden caves enough all my l002 spawns were in one as well.

A little update on the group no spawns yet but I currently have a pair trapping since yesterday and another pair that seems to be bit confused. I'm 99% sure there's already a pleco in the cave and it's a male, and the one outside the cave seems to be a male due to the few odontodes on the tail. It's been trying to force its way into the cave for at least 2 days as you can see in the attached video, and the other pleco isn't reacting aggressively. Could the "aggressor" be a female?

Thanks

Seb

https://youtu.be/U2-pGDobarw

seb47 wrote: 19 Dec 2022, 22:37 A little update on the group no spawns yet but I currently have a pair trapping since yesterday and another pair that seems to be bit confused. I'm 99% sure there's already a pleco in the cave and it's a male, and the one outside the cave seems to be a male due to the few odontodes on the tail. It's been trying to force its way into the cave for at least 2 days as you can see in the attached video, and the other pleco isn't reacting aggressively. Could the "aggressor" be a female?

Thanks

Seb

[url]https://youtu.be/U2-pGDobarw[url]

Like a ex of mine from way back...... some females can be a little hairy as well!

Chuck

stuby wrote: 19 Dec 2022, 22:53 Like a ex of mine from way back...... some females can be a little hairy as well!

Chuck

thanks that's good news then hopefully the male figures it out too and lets her in.

seb47 wrote: 19 Dec 2022, 22:37 A little update on the group no spawns yet but I currently have a pair trapping since yesterday and another pair that seems to be bit confused. I'm 99% sure there's already a pleco in the cave and it's a male, and the one outside the cave seems to be a male due to the few odontodes on the tail. It's been trying to force its way into the cave for at least 2 days as you can see in the attached video, and the other pleco isn't reacting aggressively. Could the "aggressor" be a female?

Thanks
Seb

Hi Seb,

I fixed the YouTube link you provided, so that the video should display. But youtube says you have the video set to "private." Nobody can see it.

Cheers, Eric

bekateen wrote: 20 Dec 2022, 04:27 Hi Seb,

I fixed the YouTube link you provided, so that the video should display. But youtube says you have the video set to "private." Nobody can see it.

Cheers, Eric

Thanks Eric I set it to unlisted so it should be visible now.

Yep. I see it. Thanks for sharing.

Cheers, Eric

The pair that was trapping ended up spawning and I was able to pull ~25 wigglers from them but the original spawn was eaten by the male.

That's awesome news excited to see more updates friend!