CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
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CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
just placed an order for these cories, labeled "cf. Pulcher"
I notice there's no "cf pulcher" listed on here... but some online searches point me to CW028
Can these be identified?
Once I receive them in the mail I will add my own photos too in case they don't match the websites photos.
Taken from: https://angelfins.ca/index.php?main_pag ... ts_id=4230
And from their FB post Video of said fish too:
I notice there's no "cf pulcher" listed on here... but some online searches point me to CW028
Can these be identified?
Once I receive them in the mail I will add my own photos too in case they don't match the websites photos.
Taken from: https://angelfins.ca/index.php?main_pag ... ts_id=4230
And from their FB post Video of said fish too:
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
Those cannot be considered Corydoras cf. pulcher.
Any time a fish is labeled "cf." anything (cf. means conferred as), it means the fish is interpreted to be the same as (the species name that follows) but something about the fish is not the same - perhaps catch location, size, slight color differences, etc.
The real is a straight-snouted cory, which is lineage 8, subgroup 4; therefore a "cf. pulcher" would need to be the same. The fish in your photos are short-snouted corys, lineage 9.
I believe your fishes are .
Cw028 is very similar to , except that C. schwartzi tends to have the lines on the body flanks more broken up or spotty (i.e., black dots arranged in a line), whereas cw028 has the dots more fused together, creating almost solid lines, as seen in your photos. Also, the dorsal spine of cw028 tends to be more boldly white than that on C. schwartzi. Both are great fish, but cw028 is more highly prized for its more bold colors.
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Any time a fish is labeled "cf." anything (cf. means conferred as), it means the fish is interpreted to be the same as (the species name that follows) but something about the fish is not the same - perhaps catch location, size, slight color differences, etc.
The real is a straight-snouted cory, which is lineage 8, subgroup 4; therefore a "cf. pulcher" would need to be the same. The fish in your photos are short-snouted corys, lineage 9.
I believe your fishes are .
Cw028 is very similar to , except that C. schwartzi tends to have the lines on the body flanks more broken up or spotty (i.e., black dots arranged in a line), whereas cw028 has the dots more fused together, creating almost solid lines, as seen in your photos. Also, the dorsal spine of cw028 tends to be more boldly white than that on C. schwartzi. Both are great fish, but cw028 is more highly prized for its more bold colors.
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
Awesome! How often are they encountered in the hobby?bekateen wrote: ↑16 Aug 2020, 00:43 Those cannot be considered Corydoras cf. pulcher.
Any time a fish is labeled "cf." anything (cf. means conferred as), it means the fish is interpreted to be the same as (the species name that follows) but something about the fish is not the same - perhaps catch location, size, slight color differences, etc.
The real is a straight-snouted cory, which is lineage 8, subgroup 4; therefore a "cf. pulcher" would need to be the same. The fish in your photos are short-snouted corys, lineage 9.
I believe your fishes are .
Cw028 is very similar to , except that C. schwartzi tends to have the lines on the body flanks more broken up or spotty (i.e., black dots arranged in a line), whereas cw028 has the dots more fused together, creating almost solid lines, as seen in your photos. Also, the dorsal spine of cw028 tends to be more boldly white than that on C. schwartzi. Both are great fish, but cw028 is more highly prized for its more bold colors.
Cheers, Eric
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They certainly aren't as rare as hen's teeth, but not a frequent import. I'd like to get some in the future.
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
I paid quite a bit for them plus shipping haha....
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In the USA, I've seen cw028 go for $25 USD each and more.
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
$29.95 + tax and shipping.
But they were so nice to pass up. Should be mailed out Monday and ill get them Tuesday.
But they were so nice to pass up. Should be mailed out Monday and ill get them Tuesday.
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$30 Canadian? That's about $23 USD. Spot on. No bargain, but fair price. Don't feel ripped off.
Take care of them. Enjoy your . Good luck with them.
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
Nah I don't feel ripped off as theyre beautiful cories and I trust the store I ordered them from, just expensive compared to some cories I've got haha... but i expect ill be very happy with these. Just shocked at the cost haha
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
These guys don’t ship well. Toxins in the bag etc. Good idea to let them stay at the shop for a few days and take them home in individual bags if you can.
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
I placed their order Friday so they've been sitting since at the store, then will ship out Monday. I requested them in separate bags because im aware cories release a toxin sometimes. This way of one releases toxins, the others aren't affected. The shop does have a good DOA policy though. Ive only had to do it once with a C. Leucomelas that didn't seem to ship well either.
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
Also, ask them if they'll add a few charcoal media pieces to each bag. That can help too.MissNoodle wrote: ↑16 Aug 2020, 18:59I placed their order Friday so they've been sitting since at the store, then will ship out Monday. I requested them in separate bags because im aware cories release a toxin sometimes. This way of one releases toxins, the others aren't affected. The shop does have a good DOA policy though. Ive only had to do it once with a C. Leucomelas that didn't seem to ship well either.
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
They arrived, theyre HUGE!! Niiiice cories, but man the size shocked me
I'm hoping ive got a male female pair here, if you could confirm?
And to confirm finally that theyre CW028s?
I'm hoping ive got a male female pair here, if you could confirm?
And to confirm finally that theyre CW028s?
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And the size!!!! Very impressive corydoras
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They look great. How many did you get?
Sex them like any other cory. Look at pelvic fins and body girth. Male bodies thin from above view; female bodies more round. Male pelvics more pointed/triangular; female pelvics more rounded/spoon-like.
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Sex them like any other cory. Look at pelvic fins and body girth. Male bodies thin from above view; female bodies more round. Male pelvics more pointed/triangular; female pelvics more rounded/spoon-like.
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
The two for the time being, hoping for a pair, theyre in with the hodgepodge of other cories. My husband would have died at the price if I got more, he already cried at the cost (im the fish person, he just kinda tolerates my hobby lol), i asked for a pair, if I can manage to breed them, it'd be awesome to keep some from that.
I'm thinking for sure the paler one is female, fat and wide pelvic fins, but the other one is the one im not too sure. I cant get a good view at the pelvic fins, though seems a slight bit thinner than the others. These guys dwarf all of my other cories, its insane the size. The trilineatus in the photo is an adult male. Hes so small in comparison!
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
As for ID, I suppose some could argue the lighter fish is Corydoras(Ln9) schwartzi, but I think they are the same. Also affirming the CW028 identity, CW028 is captured in the same area as Corydoras pulcher. So it would make sense for someone to import them as "cf. pulcher" since they're caught together.
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
I considered that idea too, that could be Schwartzi, but that dorsal spine is golden white, and the taller body doesn't match the Schwartzi (to me). They are the same shape and proportions as one another, just one is more lightly marked. Lots of gold shining through as they colour up.bekateen wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 01:47 As for ID, I suppose some could argue the lighter fish is Corydoras(Ln9) schwartzi, but I think they are the same. Also affirming the CW028 identity, CW028 is captured in the same area as Corydoras pulcher. So it would make sense for someone to import them as "cf. pulcher" since they're caught together.
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But I have to say, theyre funny to see them swim. They're top heavy and not as graceful as smaller cories.
I plan on moving my leucomelas and ambiacus in with them since they're similarly marked, though not nearly the same size.
I did get a photo of the pelvic fin of the darker one, hard to say but I think its slightly more pointed than the other ones.
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It's easiest to compare pelvic fins when you have multiple fish. Looking at just one fish gives little sense of reference.
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
Well I've got a better look. Their pelvic fins have different shapes, the darker one does have very pointed pelvic fins, the other are broader, so i do think ive lucked out and got a pair.
Comparing both
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Hopefully...
Now, you do know that corys are healthiest and happiest in schools of at least 5 or 6 of the same kind, right?
#Justification #ItsGoodForTheFish #ReaponsiblePetCare
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I know, but husband isn't keen on the cost, so going to opt to increase the shoal through breeding them instead.
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Glad I ran into this post as I think i have some super schwartzi . I had bought pulcher but was later told they weren't. I now have (supposedly) true pulcher on the way! Will have to compare when they come in!!
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Re: CW028? Cf. Pulcher? Corydoras ID needed
Hello Nightowl aquatics,
Brochis pulchra is a a completely different species than CW028. B pulchra has a longer snout and is bigger than Cw028.
And then there is CW065, very similar to B pulchra and live in the same environment. All live within the same water system.
A new classification of Corydoradinae, a subfamily of the Callichthyidae family of catfish, was recently published in the Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society. The study, by Dias et al. in 2024, identified seven distinct groups of species within the subfamily, each with a pre-existing generic name.
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Brochis pulchra is a a completely different species than CW028. B pulchra has a longer snout and is bigger than Cw028.
And then there is CW065, very similar to B pulchra and live in the same environment. All live within the same water system.
A new classification of Corydoradinae, a subfamily of the Callichthyidae family of catfish, was recently published in the Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society. The study, by Dias et al. in 2024, identified seven distinct groups of species within the subfamily, each with a pre-existing generic name.
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