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Interesting fish. What do you know about this specimen? Catch location? No strong body stripes? ( as in other Platydoras)

Cheers, Eric

bekateen wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 17:37 Interesting fish. What do you know about this specimen? Catch location? No strong body stripes? ( as in other Platydoras)

Cheers, Eric

It is from the lower Marowijne river in Suriname and gets about 14" is about all I know about it

Thanks.

The closest described species is , both in appearance and location (same river system). But I'm being told on Facebook that this is not the same.

Cheers, Eric

It is an interesting fish, why is is not P. costatus?

Jools

Jools wrote: ↑02 Jul 2019, 09:20 It is an interesting fish, why is is not P. costatus?

Jools

p. costatus gets 6.3"? This guy is already about 8 " and they get to about 14".

Iamfish wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 23:35p. costatus gets 6.3"? This guy is already about 8 " and they get to about 14".

I've heard there are other differences also. But to the issue of size, is 14" a wild measurement or in captivity? Captive raised fosh often exceed wild caught max SL.

Cheers,
Eric

Not sure if this fish came from the same place I got mine (I assume it did) but the vendor was offering wild-caught fish up to 12". The range offered was 8-12".

Really happy with this species. A good medium-sized fish that stays small enough to be realistically kept by hobbyists, as opposed to the much larger Oxydoras, Pterodoras etc.

Thanks for this info on the sizes of wild caught fish. I presume the seller lists the size as TL, not SL. Do you know?

If so, and assuming seller isn't exaggerating, I'd estimate from photos that the tail adds another 15%-20% to length, which would then "ballpark" SL around 10".

Cheers, Eric

Rechecked their website. They actually list 2 size options, 7-8" or 9.5-12.5", they're not specific about SL or TL.

I ordered the 7-8" size and while I didn't measure it before adding it to the tank if I hold a tape measure up to the front of the tank (not very accurate I know) it looks to be a solid 9" TL. I suppose that doesn't mean much though considering they offer a range of sizes from 7-12.5".

Either way, still much bigger than 6". I wish I got to say that more often, but alas, never have, never will.

They have been recorded up to 10.7" SL (Pioski et al., 2008), and that was based on a very small number of specimens, so I'm sure they get bigger.

Vendors rarely use SL as far as I know, so the sizes offered definitely fit the species.

racoll wrote: ↑05 Jul 2019, 11:10 They have been recorded up to 10.7" SL (Pioski et al., 2008), and that was based on a very small number of specimens, so I'm sure they get bigger.

Vendors rarely use SL as far as I know, so the sizes offered definitely fit the species.

"They" being costatus?

Think the DNA looks different in these two spp. I will consult Mols book when I get home. I think this fellow could have it's own species entry...


Jools

bekateen wrote: "They" being costatus?

Yes, P. costatus.

Jools wrote:Think the DNA looks different in these two spp. I will consult Mols book when I get home. I think this fellow could have it's own species entry...

Ah ... there's indeed a Platydoras sp. "Maroni" (=Marowijne) in Arce et al. (2017).

racoll wrote: ↑05 Jul 2019, 16:27Ah ... there's indeed a Platydoras sp. "Maroni" (=Marowijne) in Arce et al. (2017).

Sorry, but I'm having trouble finding this resource. Do you mean the 2013 paper (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ympev.2013.02.021)? I see Platydoras sp. 'Maroni' there.

If not, which paper is this?

Thanks, Eric

Jools wrote: ↑05 Jul 2019, 15:25Think the DNA looks different in these two spp. I will consult Mols book when I get home. I think this fellow could have it's own species entry...

Jools, I reviewed the Arce (2013) paper and indeed there is a Platydoras sp. `Maroni` that is distinct from P. costatus. I've created a CLOG entry for it.

Iamfish wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 17:05Sharing some pics of my new cat
for pcf 1.jpgfor pcf 2.jpg

@Iamfish, may I add these photos to the new CLOG entry?

Cheers, Eric

bekateen wrote:Sorry, but I'm having trouble finding this resource. Do you mean the 2013 paper (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ympev.2013.02.021)? I see Platydoras sp. 'Maroni' there.

Oops, my bad. No idea where 2017 came from. That's the paper (2013).

FWIW, on FaceBook, Mark Henry Sabaj says this `shallow scute` Platydoras may be Platydoras helicophilus, which was also described from the Maroni and has shallower scutes than P. costatus; currently, P. helicophilus is synonymized with P. costatus.

bekateen wrote: ↑05 Jul 2019, 17:01

Jools wrote: ↑05 Jul 2019, 15:25Think the DNA looks different in these two spp. I will consult Mols book when I get home. I think this fellow could have it's own species entry...

Jools, I reviewed the Arce (2013) paper and indeed there is a Platydoras sp. `Maroni` that is distinct from P. costatus. I've created a CLOG entry for it.

Iamfish wrote: ↑01 Jul 2019, 17:05Sharing some pics of my new cat
for pcf 1.jpgfor pcf 2.jpg

@Iamfish, may I add these photos to the new CLOG entry?

Cheers, Eric

You can use the photos

So far so good, here is a video a few pics I got of him tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9HCloUMW3o

Great stuff, if you get a picture of the fish side on without much reflection or other fish in the shot it'd be great to put in the cat-elog to show the fish in portrait.

Cheers,




Jools

Sill trying to get some better pics for you guys, just been hard since he is very fast and I use a phone to take pics. Got this adorable pics the other day though.

It's a cute pic!



Jools