LDA064 or L306

[racoll]

The fish from the seller is

Panaqolus maccus

, AKA the common clown pleco.

[CarlDeller]

The fish from the seller is

Panaqolus maccus

, AKA the common clown pleco.

So does that mean that really the LDA064 and L306 are the same species and pleco ? Im getting a better picture in a few hours from them. But as of now they say that the L306 gets its nlack and red patern when they get bigger 2-3"

Thank you again for the fast reply

[racoll]

So does that mean that really the LDA064 and L306 are the same species and pleco ?

Hi. I think you misunderstood my post somehow. The fish from the seller, the one on the green gravel, is

Panaqolus maccus

. That fish is not, and never will be

L169

or

L306

.

[CarlDeller]

I was fairly sure that the picture I was sent wasn't of a L306 or LDA064. But the seller was adamant about it and say that it would get its colors when it got bigger. I'll recontact them and make sure the pictures are retaken and this time the right fish.

On a side note I wanted to know if L306 and LDA064 are the same fish with just different name.

Thank you once again.

[racoll]

On a side note I wanted to know if L306 and LDA064 are the same fish with just different name.

Yes, they are the same. They are also the same species as

L169

.

[Narwhal72]

They are the same fish with different names.

L306 is very rare in the trade and almost unheard of seeing in North America. They seem to be more available in Europe but you never see them in North America. Main reason seems to be a lack of commercial collection in the area they are found.

I agree that the fish in the photo is Panaqolus maccus and will never ever be anything else. If the seller insists they are L306 they are either extremely ignorant on catfish identification or they are trying to scam you.

Andy

[CarlDeller]

On a side note I wanted to know if L306 and LDA064 are the same fish with just different name.

Yes, they are the same. They are also the same species as

L169

.

Thank you so much. I'll see if they send me other pictures. But with all this info i'll be sure of myself

They are the same fish with different names.

L306 is very rare in the trade and almost unheard of seeing in North America. They seem to be more available in Europe but you never see them in North America. Main reason seems to be a lack of commercial collection in the area they are found.

I agree that the fish in the photo is Panaqolus maccus and will never ever be anything else. If the seller insists they are L306 they are either extremely ignorant on catfish identification or they are trying to scam you.

Andy

Cool thanks for the extra info. They made it seem like L306 and LDA064 were two different cats and I ended up very confuse. But do you know if even not available in North America if the L306 and LDA064 have any distinct differences ?

I don't think they are trying to scam me. I hope it was just a mislabeled specimen or that the picture i was sent was the wrong one. I'm also buying

L169

from them and they look just like the ones in the Car eLog

You guys are life savers. Thanks a lot

[blue teddy]

Yes it is a Panaqolus/panaque/muccus L162 gets to about 10cm lovely little plec.


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[Narwhal72]

But do you know if even not available in North America if the L306 and LDA064 have any distinct differences ?

I am really kind of confused by your question. Multiple people have both told you now that these fish are the same species (as is L169). The same pictures are even used for both listings in the catelog. So no, there would not be any differences.

Andy

[CarlDeller]

But do you know if even not available in North America if the L306 and LDA064 have any distinct differences ?

I am really kind of confused by your question. Multiple people have both told you now that these fish are the same species (as is L169). The same pictures are even used for both listings in the catelog. So no, there would not be any differences.

Andy

My bad i gave your text too quick of a read and thought you had said that the L306 was a European variant of the LDA064

What you actually said was that it is rare in North American, but more common in Europe

[CarlDeller]

The fish from the seller is

Panaqolus maccus

, AKA the common clown pleco.

Could they be

LDA068

at this point him 90% sure the picture I received are not of the

L306

but I have a

panaqolus maccus

in my community tank and it looks a little different than the sellers.

Thanks for all the help. They are sending me new pictures later today

[Borbi]

Hi,

just on a side note:

I am really kind of confused by your question. Multiple people have both told you now that these fish are the same species (as is L169).

L169 and L306 are clearly (and easily) differentiated, at least as adult(ish) specimen.
If they are the same "species" or not I will not comment on, but they are clearly at least different local varieties.

Cheers,
Sandor

[CarlDeller]

Hi,

just on a side note:

I am really kind of confused by your question. Multiple people have both told you now that these fish are the same species (as is L169).

L169 and L306 are clearly (and easily) differentiated, at least as adult(ish) specimen.
If they are the same "species" or not I will not comment on, but they are clearly at least different local varieties.

Cheers,
Sandor

I know L306 and LDA001 are not the same fish, species of course since the are both panaque are also have the same kind of markings. What I wasn't sure of thanks to information I found elsewhere is if L306 and LDA064 were two different fish or just the same name to identify the red stripe panaque.

What are your thoughts though about the fish being

LDA068

instead of

panaqolus maccus

[racoll]

L169 and L306 are clearly (and easily) differentiated, at least as adult(ish) specimen.

Only assuming that there is no colour variation among the populations, and that the reddish

L169

are not cherry-picked and sold as

L306

.

What are your thoughts though about the fish being LDA068 instead of panaqolus maccus

Yes, entirely possible. The thought did cross my mind. Lets see what the new photos look like.

[Borbi]

Hi,

Only assuming that there is no colour variation among the populations, and that the reddish L169 are not cherry-picked and sold as L306.

I´ll have to disagree with you on that one.
They are clearly and easily distinguishable by the width of the stripes on the head (among others, but that´s the most obvious).
The picture that comes up hovering over the "L169" clog entry appears to be a young specimen (assuming it was correctly IDed), not larger than 4-5cm TL I believe, the one of the L306 is an adolescent one. The L169 will change to a point where it is hard to tell from an L2, but not to be mistaken for an L306.
Having seen several shipments of L306 specifically collected by a fisherman and directly exported, not handed down through the "usual channels", makes me pretty confident about them not being cherry-picked L169.
Additionally, having bred L306, I am absolutely certain that their offspring retain the main characteristics of their parents and don´t show any markings similar to L169 (other than being striped).
By the way: the reddish color of L306 will (sadly) disappear in a fishtank over time.

Cheers,
Sandor

[CarlDeller]

Wow you guys are amazing. I never thought i'd be getting this much information. What i have learn these past few days will definitely be helpful in the future.

Here are more pictures

From the sellers:


From the sellers supplier:

Note from the supplier: Here is just a tail shot as these guys are elusive. I took out the log and left it on the floor for 30mins and he still wouldn't come out of his hole. It is definitely a red stripe on the body and this guy is 2-2.5" and the females are golden brown. I will continue to try and pry him out and i should have a picture today.

[Jools]

This could be sold as

LDA068

, but you could also call it

Panaqolus maccus

. Either way it's a common fish and not LDA064 or L306. It will get less colourful with age.

Jools

Jools

[CarlDeller]

This could be sold as

LDA068

, but you could also call it

Panaqolus maccus

. Either way it's a common fish and not LDA064 or L306. It will get less colourful with age.

Jools

Jools

Well now i'm lost....It tail really is red. Although i doubt it's a L306

[Juiceyfish]

No more comments for account fish??


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[Juiceyfish]

Still want to Id this fish as said ?


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[racoll]

Just to be clear, the fish held in the hand is a different individual to the one on the green gravel?

[Narwhal72]

Yep. Not the same fish as that pictured on the green gravel. Also not an L306. The pattern on the snout and head is all wrong for that species.

[Narwhal72]

Panaqolus maccus The markings around the head are incorrect for L306.

[Juiceyfish]

The green and redish fish is the male adult of the fish on the green gravel


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[Juiceyfish]

The adult is 3-3.5" green gravel fellas are 1.5" -1.75"


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[Juiceyfish]

Possible cross breed?


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[racoll]

The green and redish fish is the male adult of the fish on the green gravel

So they came in the same shipment? Where were they imported from, what name were they sold as, and what other species came in that same shipment?

[Juiceyfish]

A fella I know breeds these fish not sure on Orgin but can find out


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[Borbi]

Hi,

Well now i'm lost....It tail really is red. Although i doubt it's a L306

That´s Panaqolus sp. aff. maccus. No L306 (and also no reason to suspect it to be a hybrid).

Cheers,
Sandor