Long winded request for help with inexplicible Tank Deaths
Posted: 26 Oct 2013, 01:56
Hello,
I don't know what's happened. My tank was doing really well. I hope someone might be able to give me a clue on 1. What’s happened and 2. More importantly, what I might be able to do about it.
Started with a Hoplo and a Green Corey I rescued from extremely bad conditions. After making numerous rookie mistakes, they somehow survived it all. They’ve survived a few other tank mates over the last 3+ years too.
Bought a new group to add to the tank about a month and a half ago. I was assured by the store that the 2 (male and female) Kribensis, 1 Dwarf Gourami, 2 hoplos and 4 Corys wouldn’t be too much for the tank to handle at once and also, that the Kribensis and Gourami would be peaceful to the rest of the cats.
Well the Kribensis weren't peaceful.
Two days later I found one hoplo dead (though can’t blame them for sure). They traumatized the rest – nipped their fins, etc. I took them back to the store. I kept the Gourami and tried everything I could to keep him away from the corys and the Hoplo. Feeding rings, night feedings, but he wouldn't leave them alone either – more nipped fins and general terrorizing them when food was around - so back to the store he went too. Slowly lost 3 of the new corys and my oldest Cory hasn't done well since. I figured they were just too freaked out to eat, or they were already too weak by the time the Gourami left. Or the nipped fins (and missing barbells) were too much for their little bodies to heal.
So i bought 4 new Corys last week (and 4 Nerites) to keep the last two Corys company. I would have bought another Hoplo too but they didn't have any. And probably a good thing. The 4 new Corys were all dead 2 days later.
So I don't know what's gone on in my tank, but either my LFS is reprehensible (and i don't think they are), or there's a major tank problem.
I don't see any ick or any evidence of disease on the fish, however I do notice that the corys and the hoplo don’t have barbells, which I originally blamed on the aggressive fish, but I believe also could indicate a water quality issue? I don’t have a planted tank. I had a Marimo Ball (Cladophora ball) and it got flattened/ opened (I blamed the Kribensis/ Gourami), and when I had the deaths I removed it in case it was releasing something weird into the water (it was still green, just no longer ball-shaped).
Have tested for Nitrites and Ammonia a million times and both remain at zero. My understanding is that if they're at zero, Nitrates would be too.
I also recently wondered if it was pH? I can’t believe that the one Cory would have survived for 4+ years if that was an issue (where I rescued the original two from weren’t even treating the water with anything!). Or we got an old sink working again - maybe the pipes were releasing something?
When i was having the Gourami/ Kribensis issues, there was a lot of left over food on the bottom of the tank, so I was cleaning it... too much? When I realized that might be the problem I slowed down.
My other thought is the substrate itself and/or I’ve disturbed anaerobic pockets. Reading now, It looks as if I should have been ‘disturbing’ the substrate when I clean. I moved all the furniture around to give the tank a good clean before adding the new guys 1.5 months ago, and then did so (but just a little bit) again before I added the recent group. The hoplo shoves himself on the side of the tank between the glass and the heater, and I wonder now if I was seeing the others trying to stay away from the bottom too? Am i imagining this? If it’s the substrate, how do I change it without killing the remaining fish? I don't have another tank.
My oldest Cory is on his last fins now. That will leave me with one unhappy spotted Hoplo and one unhappy green Cory. I can’t with good conscience keep sending fish to their doom in my tank. I also can't with good conscience keep community fish sad and lonely for the rest of their time with me either.
I don’t know.
I feel like it could be a bunch of things - obviously I've made a lot of mistakes - but if anything specifically jumps out at anyone (and in particular how to fix it!), I would be really, really appreciative.
I've clearly messed up, but how can I do right by these last little dudes? Maybe just give them away to someone who can take better care of them than me.
But of course with all of the deaths, who would take them for fear that they'll bring something into a new tank.
Kat
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Aquarium Size: 736.60mm x 304.80mm x 2971.80mm
Temperature: 25.5 to 26
Furniture:
Substrate: Black Sand aka Black Slag
1 Tracked Nerite Snail (Neritina natalensis sp. "Tracked"),
3 Zebra Nerite Snails (Neritina natalensis sp. "Zebra")
Filtration: AquaClear 300 aka: AquaClear 70
Lighting: Incandescent Solar Series 2 x 25 watt bulbs
Heating: Stealth Pro Shatterproof Heater
Current: Air (vertical)
According to the Aquarists in my area, our stats are:
```````````````````````units```````max```````min``````average
Alkalinity`````````````mg/L````````87.8``````80.8 `````85.2
Conductivity```````````mhos/cm`````398```````280```````307
Hardness ( as CaCO3 )``mg/L````````125```````116```````122
pH`````````````````````````````````7.9```````7.4```````7.7
Total Solids```````````mg/L````````198```````168```````180
This comes out to a GH of less than 7 and a KH of less than 5.
I don't know what's happened. My tank was doing really well. I hope someone might be able to give me a clue on 1. What’s happened and 2. More importantly, what I might be able to do about it.
Started with a Hoplo and a Green Corey I rescued from extremely bad conditions. After making numerous rookie mistakes, they somehow survived it all. They’ve survived a few other tank mates over the last 3+ years too.
Bought a new group to add to the tank about a month and a half ago. I was assured by the store that the 2 (male and female) Kribensis, 1 Dwarf Gourami, 2 hoplos and 4 Corys wouldn’t be too much for the tank to handle at once and also, that the Kribensis and Gourami would be peaceful to the rest of the cats.
Well the Kribensis weren't peaceful.
Two days later I found one hoplo dead (though can’t blame them for sure). They traumatized the rest – nipped their fins, etc. I took them back to the store. I kept the Gourami and tried everything I could to keep him away from the corys and the Hoplo. Feeding rings, night feedings, but he wouldn't leave them alone either – more nipped fins and general terrorizing them when food was around - so back to the store he went too. Slowly lost 3 of the new corys and my oldest Cory hasn't done well since. I figured they were just too freaked out to eat, or they were already too weak by the time the Gourami left. Or the nipped fins (and missing barbells) were too much for their little bodies to heal.
So i bought 4 new Corys last week (and 4 Nerites) to keep the last two Corys company. I would have bought another Hoplo too but they didn't have any. And probably a good thing. The 4 new Corys were all dead 2 days later.
So I don't know what's gone on in my tank, but either my LFS is reprehensible (and i don't think they are), or there's a major tank problem.
I don't see any ick or any evidence of disease on the fish, however I do notice that the corys and the hoplo don’t have barbells, which I originally blamed on the aggressive fish, but I believe also could indicate a water quality issue? I don’t have a planted tank. I had a Marimo Ball (Cladophora ball) and it got flattened/ opened (I blamed the Kribensis/ Gourami), and when I had the deaths I removed it in case it was releasing something weird into the water (it was still green, just no longer ball-shaped).
Have tested for Nitrites and Ammonia a million times and both remain at zero. My understanding is that if they're at zero, Nitrates would be too.
I also recently wondered if it was pH? I can’t believe that the one Cory would have survived for 4+ years if that was an issue (where I rescued the original two from weren’t even treating the water with anything!). Or we got an old sink working again - maybe the pipes were releasing something?
When i was having the Gourami/ Kribensis issues, there was a lot of left over food on the bottom of the tank, so I was cleaning it... too much? When I realized that might be the problem I slowed down.
My other thought is the substrate itself and/or I’ve disturbed anaerobic pockets. Reading now, It looks as if I should have been ‘disturbing’ the substrate when I clean. I moved all the furniture around to give the tank a good clean before adding the new guys 1.5 months ago, and then did so (but just a little bit) again before I added the recent group. The hoplo shoves himself on the side of the tank between the glass and the heater, and I wonder now if I was seeing the others trying to stay away from the bottom too? Am i imagining this? If it’s the substrate, how do I change it without killing the remaining fish? I don't have another tank.
My oldest Cory is on his last fins now. That will leave me with one unhappy spotted Hoplo and one unhappy green Cory. I can’t with good conscience keep sending fish to their doom in my tank. I also can't with good conscience keep community fish sad and lonely for the rest of their time with me either.
I don’t know.
I feel like it could be a bunch of things - obviously I've made a lot of mistakes - but if anything specifically jumps out at anyone (and in particular how to fix it!), I would be really, really appreciative.
I've clearly messed up, but how can I do right by these last little dudes? Maybe just give them away to someone who can take better care of them than me.
But of course with all of the deaths, who would take them for fear that they'll bring something into a new tank.
Kat
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Aquarium Size: 736.60mm x 304.80mm x 2971.80mm
Temperature: 25.5 to 26
Furniture:
Substrate: Black Sand aka Black Slag
1 Tracked Nerite Snail (Neritina natalensis sp. "Tracked"),
3 Zebra Nerite Snails (Neritina natalensis sp. "Zebra")
Filtration: AquaClear 300 aka: AquaClear 70
Lighting: Incandescent Solar Series 2 x 25 watt bulbs
Heating: Stealth Pro Shatterproof Heater
Current: Air (vertical)
According to the Aquarists in my area, our stats are:
```````````````````````units```````max```````min``````average
Alkalinity`````````````mg/L````````87.8``````80.8 `````85.2
Conductivity```````````mhos/cm`````398```````280```````307
Hardness ( as CaCO3 )``mg/L````````125```````116```````122
pH`````````````````````````````````7.9```````7.4```````7.7
Total Solids```````````mg/L````````198```````168```````180
This comes out to a GH of less than 7 and a KH of less than 5.