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Re: eyal8a pleco tank
Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 21:24
by vanillarum
Very nice pictures of some beautiful fish. Do know that L046s compete very poorly for food. Keep an eye out that they are getting enough food. Again, very nice collection.
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 09:39
by krazyGeoff
Nice collection!
But all those bottom dwellers in one little tank?
Is there a plan for when they grow up?
Nice collection.
Cheers
Geoff
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 10:47
by Matt30
Hi mate nice pictures, you got more Catfish in you tank than my LFS have in there entire shop,word of advice remove the Zebra's as vanillarum has said they will not compete for food and the list gos on re L046's.You have some large aggressive plecos already in there with not enough space, How will any of them establish terrortorys,at least get some caves until you sort out your stock, sorry don't mean to have a pop it just looks like a bit of a Circus to me (just my opinion)
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 11:27
by eyal8a
Hi guys
Thanks for your's comments
1. The L046 in my tank for about 1 month now & they eat good as the rest of the pleco's 
2.there is no fighting between the pleco's, somehow they learn to live in perfect harmony 
3.i do a water change every friday at 16:00 40% of the water, I use The EHEIM Quick Vac pro Sludge extractor automaic gravel cleaner every two days.
4.soon i'm going to get a 2.20x60x70 floor tank !!! (about 900 liters),so all the pleco's going to have a more comfortable home... 
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 13:58
by Richard B
It's a good looking tank with some great fish
I fear the earlier posters were a little polite - this tank is way overstocked. The filtration may be able to cope but territories cannot be established and growth conditions are far from optimum. You have created an "armed truce" scenario & sooner or later all hell might break loose.
Additionally some of the species you have together possess the possibility of hybridization, along with differing food and temperature requirements. malawi mbuna-type cichlids are also not a great mix for many reasons.
I have to say the stocking worries me
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 14:29
by rob rensen
You should be ashamed to put so many fish in such a tank.....malawi's with soft water pleco's, they all need different kinds of food. I can't believe that you could be proud of this
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 14:44
by dw1305
Hi all,
I fear the earlier posters were a little polite - this tank is way overstocked. The filtration may be able to cope but territories cannot be established and growth conditions are far from optimum. You have created an "armed truce" scenario & sooner or later all hell might break loose.
Additionally some of the species you have together possess the possibility of hybridization, along with differing food and temperature requirements. malawi mbuna-type cichlids are also not a great mix for many reasons.
I have to say the stocking worries me.
....You should be ashamed to put so many fish in such a tank.....malawi's with soft water pleco's, they all need different kinds of food. I can't believe that you could be proud of this
Couldn't agree more, these fish aren't like stamps you collect, both plecs and cichlids deserve much better.
cheers Darrel
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 14:53
by eyal8a
once again thanks for your's replay's 
this tank run with all of this pleco (exspet L046 & big L014) over a 2 years !!
so far, not even one pleco has died or injured..
i'm taking care to my pleco as if they were my little babies
In addition to the above all of the mabuns on their way out...
you can see in the pic that all of them have beautiful colors, perfect fins,soon i will upload more pic's & movies
i'm definitely proud of my tank & the way i taking care the pleco's - - - ashamed ???? definitely not !!
once again.. next month i'm getting a new floor tank(2.20x60x70--924 Liter) for them
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 14:56
by rob rensen
strange way of being proud....you should collect stamps, not fish
still the new tank is also to small for such amont of fish
high on cash...low on common sense
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 15:32
by eyal8a
rob rensen wrote:strange way of being proud....you should collect stamps, not fish
still the new tank is also to small for such amont of fish
high on cash...low on common sense
hha hha
the new tank is also small to this amount of fish ??? man you are out of your mind !!!
i'm very proud of my tanks (2nd 480Liter of 41 tropheus lufubu)
i have the most beautiful,colorful & healthy fish !!
i work very hard so i can purchase each one of the pleco (not high on cash as you think) and i'm more than high with common sense
i'm sorry for you that you didnt like my tank, its could happened..
you can take a flight to israel and see two of the most beautiful & healthy tanks you will ever see !!
hope you enjued..
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 15:38
by rob rensen
You're completely nuts......I feel sorry for the fish.
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 16:04
by Richard B
Chaps - lets not get personal or insulting, lets back up our opinions with facts
There is a generally used rule that each 1" of body length of fish kept requires 10 square inches of surface area. if your tank is 48x 28 inches you can have 134 "inches of fish" - i started counting the plecos taking average, not full grown sizes and got to 155" and stopped adding up - it is overstocked. Another general rule might be each hypancistrus/peckoltia type of pleco needs a square foot of bottom area for territory - you have just over 8 square foot of bottom area meaning 8 plecos of this size /types could be comfortably housed - these are general guides that can be bent a little but your stocking goes way over - as i said before there is what i'd call an armed truce - nothing happening yet but in that 'boiling pot' something could happen anytime.
Then there is the hybridization possibility that is generally frowned upon to the highest degree.
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 16:08
by rob rensen
facts don't work....those stamp collectors don't listen to facts
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 16:17
by eyal8a
rob rensen wrote:You're completely nuts......I feel sorry for the fish.
i'm nuts???
keep jealous man... sorry that you will never own the same collection !!!
I know how good my fish live..
one more thing
for next time,Instead of attacking from the beginning, you can try to advice things to the person on the other side of the keyboard
even if he made some mistakes (i realy dont think that i made one) try to teach him not attack him
from now on i'm just going yo ignore you, i realy dont know how you drag me into this mess 
i'm going to update this post from time to time, & that what metter !!
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 16:26
by rob rensen
Me jealous ? No way....I have my 70 panaque's way better placed in big tanks.....keep on dreaming
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 16:27
by rob rensen
eyal8a wrote:rob rensen wrote:
one more thing
for next time,Instead of attacking from the beginning, you can try to advice things to the person on the other side of the keyboard
even if he made some mistakes (i realy dont think that i made one) try to teach him not attack him
from now on i'm just going yo ignore you, i realy dont know how you drag me into this mess
i'm going to update this post from time to time, & that what metter !!
you're a kind of type that won't listen to any facts...so it's a waste of time. You only listen to what you want to hear.
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 16:37
by jvision
While most of us would never dream of stocking our tanks like that, it's obviously working for the OP. Perhaps they're achieving the same success as many Malawi Lake Cichlid keepers do by overstocking and lightly decorating so that territories cannot be established and aggression is extremely diffused.
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 16:40
by rob rensen
Put 50 panaque's in a one meter tank and theire will be no agression.......
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 16:49
by jvision
rob rensen wrote:Put 50 panaque's in a one meter tank and theire will be no agression.......
Like I said, I wouldn't do it, but he's finding a way to make it work...
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 16:53
by rob rensen
One of the issue's of fishkeeping is enjoying the natural behaviour....in a overstocked tank there's no room for natural behaviour. In my opinion you're nothing more then a stamp collector. Those people don't care about the fish....they just want a lot of fish.
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 17:59
by eyal8a
once again..
the tank is not overstocked!!
1. all of the mabuna on their way out !! 
2. when the new fish will arrive i'll get out the big L190 (still have 2 L190 7-8cm), L052 and the L168
3.belive me that the health of my fish is very important to me,i'm in this hobby for 16 years, i know what
i'm doing!! 
4.as i said i realy know "how to make it work" there is no "territory issues", there is no "food problem" and no other problem!!, my bigges love is pleco's, so i will never do something that could harm them
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 18:00
by eyal8a
rob rensen wrote:One of the issue's of fishkeeping is enjoying the natural behaviour....in a overstocked tank there's no room for natural behaviour. In my opinion you're nothing more then a stamp collector. Those people don't care about the fish....they just want a lot of fish.
keep on jealous
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 18:12
by DutchFry
Your tank is overstocked, even to American standards. and that says it all actually.
you can keep repeating to yourself and us everything is going well and the fish are happy, but believe us, they are not. they are just surviving.
it's the same as an overstocked Malawi tank. so little room for fish that all make and defend territories, they just cannot show their natural behaviour.
oh and lastly, rob rensen is far from jealous, I know that much. Rob owns more tanks than anyone I know and keeps his Panaque like one should. a group of one species per tank, leaving room for territorial squabbles and breeding behaviour. Happy fish will breed under the right circumstances. you will never breed pleco's the way you are keeping them now.
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 18:41
by jac
I can't even find the words for this tank...... It's very disappointing to see that people still keep fish this way, even when there is so much information at hand...
There is a saying: blinded by love.... Man, your really need to open up your eyes...and quick for the fish' sake....
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 20:20
by dw1305
Hi all,
There is a generally used rule that each 1" of body length of fish kept requires 10 square inches of surface area.
Yes, this is better than "inches per gallon", but volume increases as the cube of length, so we are still an order of magnitude too small, and a fish of similar build x2 as long would weigh 8x as much, and produce x8 as much waste.
Maybe if the OP looks at some of the threads on this site, that might give him a bit more idea about what our objections are. I'll link a couple that I've contributed to, and if others do the same it might help.
Weird L14 behavior:
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http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... =5&t=36173>
Wood for tanks?:
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http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... =4&t=35930>
High Nitrate:
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http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... =4&t=36231>
cheers Darrel
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 00:58
by David R
rob rensen wrote:One of the issue's of fishkeeping is enjoying the natural behaviour....in a overstocked tank there's no room for natural behaviour. In my opinion you're nothing more then a stamp collector.
People have many reasons for keeping fish, some enjoy the narutal behaviours, others like the pretty colours (some even like things like blood parrots and flowerhorns!), and some like what you would call "stamp collecting". Not everyones goal for the hobby is to have fish breed, I know mine certainly isn't (although I do like seeing more natural behaviour from my fish), and I know many people love the challenge of keeping a heavily stocked tank. Look at the "JDM-style" tanks that are popular in places like Japan and Singapore where people simply don't have space for multiple huge aquariums, there are some out there that make this one seem understocked! From a purists point of view this tank may seem cringe-worthy, but at the end of the day, all the fish appear to be healthy and doing well, fins intact, feeding and growing. The tank looks far cleaner than my less-heavily stocked 400L tank! Its not my cup of tea in terms of the heavy stocking and mix of rift lake cichlids and SA catfish, but it still looks like a well-kept and healthy tank to me, and the fact that there is a plan to upgrade to something substantially bigger is reassuring that the poster does care about his fish.
Say what you will, but IMO there are far worse crimes in the aquarium hobby than putting too many fish in a well filtered and well maintained aquarium...
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 02:56
by smitty
Great great photos. What is the pleco in photo 6.
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 03:26
by eyal8a
David R wrote:rob rensen wrote:One of the issue's of fishkeeping is enjoying the natural behaviour....in a overstocked tank there's no room for natural behaviour. In my opinion you're nothing more then a stamp collector.
People have many reasons for keeping fish, some enjoy the narutal behaviours, others like the pretty colours (some even like things like blood parrots and flowerhorns!), and some like what you would call "stamp collecting". Not everyones goal for the hobby is to have fish breed, I know mine certainly isn't (although I do like seeing more natural behaviour from my fish), and I know many people love the challenge of keeping a heavily stocked tank. Look at the "JDM-style" tanks that are popular in places like Japan and Singapore where people simply don't have space for multiple huge aquariums, there are some out there that make this one seem understocked! From a purists point of view this tank may seem cringe-worthy, but at the end of the day, all the fish appear to be healthy and doing well, fins intact, feeding and growing. The tank looks far cleaner than my less-heavily stocked 400L tank! Its not my cup of tea in terms of the heavy stocking and mix of rift lake cichlids and SA catfish, but it still looks like a well-kept and healthy tank to me, and the fact that there is a plan to upgrade to something substantially bigger is reassuring that the poster does care about his fish.
Say what you will, but IMO there are far worse crimes in the aquarium hobby than putting too many fish in a well filtered and well maintained aquarium...
David thank for the kind wnords brother
Finaly someone to understand me & my tank
I 'm happy that you liked the lateset picutres, you restored my fun to update some new photo's sonn, thank you vey much bro'
Re: eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 03:38
by eyal8a
smitty wrote:Great great photos. What is the pleco in photo 6.
Thank you mate
The pleco in photo 6 is my giant L014 ( 24cn) aka sunshine pleco
He is the king of my tank...
