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I heard from someone at my lfs that Pseuda L24 & L25 are now off the Brazil banned list.
Can anyone confirm this?

If so, does anyone know what lfs in the North London/Herts area has any.

Thanks

Hi Squidward

Rare Aquatics have / had some http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... cs#p238456. Not Herts I know, but it might help.

Both L24 and L25 are definitely on the new "allowed for export list".

I do wish people would stop saying "banned list", as there NEVER has been a "list of banned species", but always been a list of species allowed for export (since 1980-something). It was poorly enforced until a few years ago, so everyone was shipping almost anything as "Peckoltia sp." rather than the proper species name, and the checking was just "is this name on the allowed list" (if there was any checking at all). These days, the boxes are opened and checked that the fish looks like the fish that label says it is (and there is a book/binder with identification photos supplied to the people who do the checking, so they don't have to look it up in a book that is 15 years old) - if it doesn't match, it's not allowed to be exported (and the exporter risks a big fine).

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Mats

RickE wrote:Hi Squidward

Rare Aquatics have / had some http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... cs#p238456. Not Herts I know, but it might help.

I contacted Rare Aquatics this morning.
They expect the smaller ones to be in the region of £150. Gulp. A bit more than i was hoping they would be.
Hopefully they will come down in price as they become more common.

Ah, but they won't get much more common unless you buy some and breed them

RickE wrote:Ah, but they won't get much more common unless you buy some and breed them

Well, they (L24, L25, L97 and L273) are on the IBAMA "allowed for export" list now, which they weren't last year. So ever since IBAMA started enforcing the "allowed for export" list (meaning they actually CHECK that the fish are on the list _AND_ that the fish in the box is what the packing list says, rather than as they did before, just looking at the packing list and saying "Yes, that's allowed for export, ship it!" - thus a lot of fish were exported under a different name than their "real" name - "Zebra Peckoltia" for example was allowed throuhg, because "all peckoltia" are allowed - even though Hypancistrus zebra that it really was never ever was on the allowed list).

L114, "L600" and L427 were already allowed under Pseudacanthicus leopardus, as that was on the list.

It may also be that the exporters/fishermen has realized, thanks to the smuggling operations that has happened over the past few years, that there are some people who are willing to pay quite a bit of money for these fish, so they may never get back to the levels they were before.

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mats

RickE - I don't have the capital to by a small gorup of youngster to ensure there is a true pair among them

Mat - I have seen young L114 going for about £40 each. Mine cost me something like this. The L024 & L025 coming down to these sort of prices would be a lot more affordable