How to simulate rain season

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How to simulate rain season

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Can anyone advice how to simulate rain season in my 240 liter (64 USG)? My L066 are now more or less adults, but no spawning yet. I am looking for a "trigger" in order to have them spawing. I have introduced frequently water changes with temperature some degrees lower than the tank temperature, but no success yet.
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Temperature 28 deg C (82,4 deg F)
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Gh 2
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It may take more than one "cycle" of lower temperature to trigger the fish. At the end of the cycle, also increase feeding.

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Personally, I would start with preparing the fish with a dry season.

That is, less waterchanges, higher temperatures for a month or so. Then, using clean rainwater (filtered over carbon) or RO water (well oxygenated) I would dilute the soup they are swimming in fourfould or more, 3 or 4 waterchanges of 70 % or more (best use 2 hoses, in order not to lower the water too much) and lower the temp a few C

say basal was 28 C, dry 30 C and rain 26 C
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Thank you!

Hopefully this will have effect.

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How long have you had the fish?
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About 5 months now, but they were bought as youngsters. They are 10 cm lenght now. At what age or size can you say that the fish is sexually mature?

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wobbler wrote:About 5 months now, but they were bought as youngsters. They are 10 cm lenght now. At what age or size can you say that the fish is sexually mature?

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That's about the right size, but I'd be a little more patient. My L333 juveniles I bought bred about a year after purchase; most of my other Hypancistrus bred after about a year after purchase, even though I bought them as breeding age. My adult L066 didn't breed about a year and a half after getting them.
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I just try to change at least 70% of all my fish tanks water about every 4 days but sometimes I only get around to it once a week.
All the species of plecos I have bred have done so without any attempt to simulate seasons.
Water changes and sometimes extraordinary patience usually is rewarded.
I do not keep any subtropicals like Bas Pels does. They are more likely affected by simulating seasonal changes.
I have bred all my wild Discus pairs using the same tactics. I don't think it is that important for true tropicals.

In over 45 years in this hobby I haven't found it is necessary to simulate seasons.
It can help to increase the live foods and water changes at any time of the year and I do not pay any attention to the barometer either. My philosophy has always been to do what works for you and for me that is how can I produce ever more fish with the least possible amount of extra work.
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AM, when you do your WCs, do you just use your local tap water, or do you use a mix of tap/RO, or strait RO?

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apistomaster wrote:I do not keep any subtropicals like Bas Pels does. They are more likely affected by simulating seasonal changes.
I think they are. These I put in winter in colder water (10-12 C in winter), and provide them with shorter days.

I looked at the daylength at home, approximately 53 north. Uruguay is 30 to 35 south, so apart from we being shifted 6 months, their summerdays are considerably shorter than ours.

So for each hour our days lengthen, I increase their day with 30 minutes - and vice versa, ending up with 10 hours of light in winter and 14 hours in summer

I get the impression for the fishes the temperature is more important then the daylength. But I also care for plants, and these do need the shorter days in winter
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I usually tries to change about 50% of the water every week i all my tanks. Using tapwater as the water around here got guite good parameters. pH about 7 and very soft, KH about 1 GH about 2. No cloride. However i allways use Aquasafe or other additives in order to neutralize possible cloride.
apistomaster wrote:I just try to change at least 70% of all my fish tanks water about every 4 days but sometimes I only get around to it once a week.
All the species of plecos I have bred have done so without any attempt to simulate seasons.
Water changes and sometimes extraordinary patience usually is rewarded.
I do not keep any subtropicals like Bas Pels does. They are more likely affected by simulating seasonal changes.
I have bred all my wild Discus pairs using the same tactics. I don't think it is that important for true tropicals.

In over 45 years in this hobby I haven't found it is necessary to simulate seasons.
It can help to increase the live foods and water changes at any time of the year and I do not pay any attention to the barometer either. My philosophy has always been to do what works for you and for me that is how can I produce ever more fish with the least possible amount of extra work.
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