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Wood for panaque?
Posted: 18 Oct 2010, 03:44
by Capt Dave
Does the type of wood matter for panaque L190? If so which is the best type? Thank you in advance!
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 18 Oct 2010, 04:09
by racoll
I don't think the exact type matters too much, but generally the softer the better.
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 18 Oct 2010, 06:52
by taksan
Hardwood's such as the common Malaysian and African driftwoods found in the Aquarium trade are extremely difficult for Panaque's to digest and can cause serious gut problems leading in most cases to death. Softwoods such as Palm and Willow as long as they are correctly soaked and completely chemical free are the woods of choice for Panaque's. In the wild 90% of a Panaque's wood intake is Palm wood which should tell you what you should be feeding your Panaque's.
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 18 Oct 2010, 13:23
by Richard B
In terms of aquarium woods, mopani wood is initially far too hard but standard bogwood (the big chunkier stuff is far better)particularly if it is aged & has been in the tank for long periods. Redmoor wood seems fine.
If you are gathering wood yourself, aged beech seems to work fine although it is bouyant & needs weighting down - it depends on where you live as beech in the UK might not be the same as beech in the USA & different again to beech in say Australia.
If you want to replicate a more natural diet then the post above about what they eat in the wild is of great use
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 18 Oct 2010, 13:25
by MatsP
My Panaque tank has apple, willow and mopani (and possibly some others, can't say for sure). My L204 tank has Malaysian bogwood and a random piece of wood from the park.
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Mats
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 19 Oct 2010, 10:44
by racoll
I have used dead, dry silver birch (Betula pendula) to good effect.
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 19 Oct 2010, 11:09
by AleGer
racoll, I use Betula pendula too:) Also I use Salix (willow), Quercus (oak), PrĂșnus (plum tree) and some unknown driftwood.
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 19 Oct 2010, 21:25
by Capt Dave
all i got is malasian driftwood. i guess i should try to find softer stuff...
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 19 Oct 2010, 21:38
by Jools
Good question! I also find that bark is relished and that pretty much any deciduous wood is OK. I use beech, hawthorn (submersed outside for 6-12 months) and actually fresh privet hedge which also sinks straight from the bush. Next year I am going to try chestnut and copper beech as well as some lichen infested cooking apple.
Jools
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 19 Oct 2010, 21:42
by MatsP
Assuming you don't live right next to a big road, you can use cuttings of most garden trees - fruit trees are excellent: Cherry, Plum, Apple, Pear, etc. Maple, oak and birch for example of the non-fruit trees. Avoid conifers such as pine and spruce. Cedar and such is also not suitable.
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Mats
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 02:32
by Capt Dave
I am really enjoying this site for the info on the panaque. Everyone seems to know their stuff and are talking from experience. My royal is eating the malasian wood and is crapping alot but i think i gonna try a different wood also. I figured the mopani was too dense but the malasian wood felt a little lighter. Never thought of the bark as being good for them. I think i gonna try apple from a tree upstate that i have. Does the wood have to be prepped a certain way (boiled?) or can i just cut a hunk off the tree and put it in the tank? Tankmates are 2 oscars about 9 inches each.
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 03:00
by taksan
Capt Dave wrote:I am really enjoying this site for the info on the panaque. Everyone seems to know their stuff and are talking from experience. My royal is eating the malasian wood and is crapping alot but i think i gonna try a different wood also. I figured the mopani was too dense but the malasian wood felt a little lighter. Never thought of the bark as being good for them. I think i gonna try apple from a tree upstate that i have. Does the wood have to be prepped a certain way (boiled?) or can i just cut a hunk off the tree and put it in the tank? Tankmates are 2 oscars about 9 inches each.
They eat the bark as well .... simply boil the wood first then leave to sit in water for 2 weeks changing the water every 3rd day. Malaysian wood isn't good for Panaques long term it causes digestive issues. I'd be getting them onto softer woods as soon as practical.
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 07:03
by AleGer
I remember I also use Acacia tree.
As I heard It is undesirable to use coniferous trees. It is due to resin(pitch (I don't how to say better in English)) they produce. May be It is just a rumors, but I don't use coniferous trees.
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 08:19
by MatsP
I don't prep the wood at all. Just put it in the tank. If you have small, vegetarian Loricariidae in the tank, they will keep the wood "clean", and assuming the wood didn't come from a stream of water, it is very unlikely it contains anything that is bad for the fish.
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Mats
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 09:01
by panaque
I use fresh prunings from the apple tree. It sinks straightaway and the fish love the fungus that grows on the fresh wood.
Re: Wood for panaque?
Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 18:44
by Jools
panaque wrote:I use fresh prunings from the apple tree. It sinks straightaway and the fish love the fungus that grows on the fresh wood.
Agreed, although it doesn't half smell bad!
Jools