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Hello Guys
here again asking for your help. This Panaque comes from Tarapoto- Peru.
Help me to identificate, please dont tell me this is Pleco PAPA because it is not.

thanks!

Miguel

please dont tell me this is pl*co PAPA because it is not.

What makes you think so?

This looks like a Papa Panaque to me. I am also curious as to why you don't think it is.

Can't see any reason why it's not . It would be helpful if you'd say more.

Jools

I am with the others, looks like L90 Papa. I do not see anything that points otherwise as well.

I have to disagree with all of you.

Looks like to me

same thing?

MTS wrote:same thing?

Yes, I think Racoll is trying to make the point of using scientific names when one is available - something I agree with in principle, yet sometimes can't be bothered to write the long name out when you can just write which is a whole 12 characters shorter if you include the space in the middle.

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Mats

It was sort of joke really, as they are the same thing.

I guess that doesn't always come across too well in text!

I do prefer the scientific names though, but the clog tags on the L number are so handy.

racoll wrote:I guess that doesn't always come across too well in text!

Well _I_ saw the smilie that indicate that it's said in jest.

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Mats

Guys
at this point i would say there are at least 3 or 4 differents kinds of PAPA Panaque.
I will post another picture later and i want to see what you will say (I meant how you will clasificate that fish).

Another thing: this is my picture as well http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/im ... ge_id=9524
i took it the last year and it that fish came from Iquitos, it is Papa from Iquitos, if you try to compare it is different to the one of this post.... now we have 2 kinds...wait my next picture later

Ok, so the fish pictured above is in a dark tank, where as the other one is a light tank, so the fish's colors will be different. I think this one's pattern might be a little different so its trying to be sold as something else to get a larger payment (that is just my opinion, because between the two images, there are still a TON of similarities.)

I have to agree with everyone else.
You should expect minor variations over their range and depending on the fishes age. And the setting the fish is in when photographed and how stressed it may be due to being placed in the photo tank can make them look a little different. Those kinds of differences are insufficient to warrant a different name.

I have Nathan Lujan's dissertation and it says this about

".... Panaque bathyphilus, new species, are described from the main channel of the upper (Marañon) and middle (Solimões) Amazon River respectively. Both species are diagnosed by having nearly white bodies and fins, long filamentous extensions of both simple caudal-fin rays, small eyes, absence of an iris operculum and unique combinations of morphometrics."

Can anyone explain the "nearly white bodies" observation? I think I've read that they colour up when brought to the surface.

But anyway, there is a lot of variation within Panaque bathyphilus. All these pics should be P. bathyphilus.

I have asked Nathan Lujan to comment on this thread. Can't guarantee if/when we get a reply, but he's usually pretty good at replying if he's not off in some remote part of South America or such catching new specimens for research.

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Mats

Not sure we are comparing "like with like" in all the photos matthewfaulkner kindly posted, as I expect there will be variation in colour pattern during ontogeny.

Sadly I don't have the description so can't confirm, but I can't see the value in regarding these as anything other than minor variations of P. bathyphilus.

That said, as always, this doesn't mean one should mix fish with different phenotypes when trying to breed them!

Some of those look like L090C which is now .

PlecoCrazy wrote:Some of those look like L090C which is now

L203

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Which ones?

Ok, so the fish pictured above is in a dark tank, where as the other one is a light tank, so the fish's colors will be different. I think this one's pattern might be a little different so its trying to be sold as something else to get a larger payment (that is just my opinion, because between the two images, there are still a TON of similarities.)


HEY ! I am not trying to sell any fish here...i am just trying to learn more about this fish. That's it!

MatsP wrote:I have asked Nathan Lujan to comment on this thread. Can't guarantee if/when we get a reply, but he's usually pretty good at replying if he's not off in some remote part of South America or such catching new specimens for research.

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Mats

He is in Peru right now.

I took these at a shop in the UK, they were imported and on sale as 'L90 Papa Panaque'. Are they? They are patternless and instead of the white or orange colour in the caudal fin they are black.