Wells Catfish Atlas 2

FuglyDragon · Post by **FuglyDragon** » 20 Jul 2010, 12:08

Wells Catfish Atlas II

Anyone know if this has been translated to English yet ?

I bought the german edition with a view to getting round to learning german, hasnt happend lol...

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 21 Jul 2010, 06:23

Hi!!

it has!!
Just the editor hasn't got enough pre order to start the publication
Wait and see I guess!!
Cheers
Yann

FuglyDragon · Post by **FuglyDragon** » 21 Jul 2010, 07:06

awesome news, is there anywhere i can go to check when it gets published ? or go to pre order ?
and does anyone want my german version for a swap when the english one comes out ?

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 21 Jul 2010, 08:57

Hi!

yes there:
http://www.mergus.com/

cheers
Yann

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 21 Jul 2010, 12:58

As I understand it, the book is so big now that the English translation in unlikely to get published. It might be that the removal of the Neoplecostiminae from it might bring it back down to size but the additions/revisions in English mean it's unlikely. Tragic really.

Jools

bronzefry · Post by **bronzefry** » 21 Jul 2010, 13:52

Beyond tragic. I know so many people who want to own it. Why can't they just divide it into 2 volumes? People will still purchase it!
Amanda

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 21 Jul 2010, 13:56

typical Mergus

I mean, there's also 6 volumes in the regular Aquarien Atlas series, but I'll bet only half are translated.

I'm soooooooo glad I can read, write and speak German!

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 21 Jul 2010, 14:39

I am unsure how much is commerical and how much is the simple fact the binding / spine won't take such a thick book. How much does the Wels Atlas Vol 1 sell for in the US? You're looking at twice that roughly. Do you really think, in the current climate (hate that phrase) it will sell?

I think they're missing a trick. The time for this book will pass.

Jools

Jon · Post by **Jon** » 21 Jul 2010, 21:27

ah, such is life :/.

bronzefry · Post by **bronzefry** » 26 Jul 2010, 15:28

The Wels Vol.1 I purchased was somewhere around $55 American a few years ago. Volume 2 was more than that.
Amanda

FuglyDragon · Post by **FuglyDragon** » 26 Jul 2010, 23:11

Recieved this reply from an email to mergus requesting a publication date...

Sorry, the Catfish Atlas 2 will not be published. The author
has done nearly the same book with a few other publishers,
so we see no chance to compete.

best regards
Mergus

Bummer

looks like I'm gonna have to learn to read some german, A great idea to try and learn a new language to read technical information...

racoll · Post by **racoll** » 27 Jul 2010, 03:59

FuglyDragon wrote:A great idea to try and learn a new language to read technical information...

Actually, a lot of the really technical words are very similar.

It's entirely worth getting the German issue, as you can glean a surprisingly large amount of information from it.

Not to mention the photos serve as a good ID guide, and justify the outlay on their own!

FuglyDragon · Post by **FuglyDragon** » 27 Jul 2010, 04:11

Yes I allready have it.
Have been able to translate small bits of text using googles langaugae translation.

Post by **Silurus** » 27 Jul 2010, 04:27

The author has done nearly the same book with a few other publishers

So what are these books?

Suckermouth · Post by **Suckermouth** » 27 Jul 2010, 04:41

Silurus wrote:
The author has done nearly the same book with a few other publishers
So what are these books?

That's what I was wondering. They better not mean the Back to Nature guide because that's certainly not the same.

Post by **Borbi** » 27 Jul 2010, 07:31

Hi,

So what are these books?

there also is a small(ish) book exclusively on Hypancistrus, called "Hypancistrus-Fibel".
And in due course, a book on breeding pecos, titled "Ingos Harnischwelszucht", will be published here in Germany.
Taking those together with the BtN-Book, it might get somewhere.
Still, IMHO there is nothing compared to the WA2!

EDIT: Completely forgot the "MiniAtlas L-Welse", a book covering all L-Numbers from L1-L400. It is by other authors, but really does contain all those fishes with at least one picture. No described species without L-Number, though.

Cheers, Sandor

Post by **Silurus** » 27 Jul 2010, 08:31

In that case, the publisher's reply is misleading. The reply implies that other English-language books on similar subject(s) [a general guide on catfishes notwithstanding] have been written and published elsewhere by the authors. So, if the other books have been in German, publishing an English translation of Atlas 2 would not be in direct competition, since an English book would serve a different market.

So, the statement that

we see no chance to compete

makes no sense at all in the light of this information.

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 27 Jul 2010, 09:56

A mixture I think of sour grapes and risk aversion in the current financial climate.

Jools

The.Dark.One · Post by **The.Dark.One** » 27 Jul 2010, 10:50

I was hanging on for this in the hope they would translate, but I have bought it in German now.

Bas Pels · Post by **Bas Pels** » 27 Jul 2010, 12:42

chances are, with say 100 German words, and a very basic knowledge of German grammar, you might get over 80 % of what a German can get from the book

After all, it all relates to fish, size, water, growth, where thay come from, what they eat and how they behave

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 27 Jul 2010, 16:02

Yes, however some of the finer points on ID are quite hard to get even from a computer generated translation. Another point is that the English translation that's been done is also an updated and revised text from the German language book in print.

Jools

FuglyDragon · Post by **FuglyDragon** » 28 Jul 2010, 20:34

So an English translation has been done but they won't go ahead and publish ?
Anyone know who owns the translation ? I presume it was commiosoned by Mergus ?

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 29 Jul 2010, 07:10

Ingo did it from what I know

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 29 Jul 2010, 12:44

Yann wrote:Ingo did it from what I know

I thought it was Mary Bailey, I'm pretty sure she said so at the CSG conference 2009, but I could be wrong. Ingo made some updates.

--
Mats

exasperatus2002 · Post by **exasperatus2002** » 19 May 2011, 14:19

Make it an E-book then they wont have to worry about binding & increased costs of publication.

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 19 May 2011, 14:33

exasperatus2002 wrote:Make it an E-book then they wont have to worry about binding & increased costs of publication.

It's not self published and the publisher has no E-book infrastructure or DRM solution. In short, it's too hard.

Jools

Firestorming · Post by **Firestorming** » 19 May 2011, 23:03

Pretty poor form IMO, last time I checked there was other countries than the US that spoke English, and with the massive increase in the keeping of catfish around the globe it seems silly to me for them not to go ahead.

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 19 May 2011, 23:10

Firestorming wrote:Pretty poor form IMO, last time I checked there was other countries than the US that spoke English, and with the massive increase in the keeping of catfish around the globe it seems silly to me for them not to go ahead.

That would feel right to me too, but off the back of sales of the first book (in English) it's not reality. Sadly, we are not buying enough books... Maybe that is not the whole picture, but it's part of it.

Jools

Firestorming · Post by **Firestorming** » 19 May 2011, 23:15

I will still buy the German one, as a visual guide if nothing else. Although by doing this I guess I will help justify the no need for english argument......sounds like a Joseph Heller novel to me.

bigbird · Post by **bigbird** » 20 May 2011, 00:57

I am also lucky that I can read and write german and english.
Why do they not just post it on the net and people pay a user fee to look at it etc, instead of piblishing it ? I am sure there must be a way for a book that HAS already been translated to be available on the net ? Just a thought cheers jk

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