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Better picks to follow

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 19:06
by Birger Amundsen
But this must most likely be P brevis?

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Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 19:30
by Richard B
looks like it to me

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Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 19:59
by Birger Amundsen
Sold to a friend as Peckoltia SP Rio Itaya.... Crap I say :-)

Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 20:10
by MatsP
Well, P. brevis distribution roughly matches Rio Itaya, so it may just be a colour variation on P. brevis.

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Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 20:19
by Birger Amundsen
Wont argue on that Mats :) But what would you call it?

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Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 20:37
by Birger Amundsen
How about this, sold as unknown specie???


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Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 20:42
by MatsP
I'm not at all an expert on this group of fishes - I'm just saying that the if P. brevis lives in Rio Itaya and other rivers in that area, then the Rio Itaya variant may well look different from the other species covered by that species name. It's close to P. brevis, that's for sure. I don't think it's correct to call it "P. sp. Rio Itaya", it would be more accurate, in my amateur Ichthyology opinion to call it P. brevis 'Rio Itaya', if you wanted to designate it to a specific region - which is perfectly valid thing to do.

Of course, as I said, I don't know this species well - it may be that the exporter/importer/wholesaler can see some difference that I'm not looking for.

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Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 20:49
by MatsP
Looks more like an unknown fish, not an unknown coin (specie = coin, species = type of animal(s)). Sorry, had to do that... ;)

And from that picture, I'd say it'll remain unknown... At least a shot of the head. From what I can see of it, I'd say that it's a possible Chaetostoma - but that's just a completely wild guess.

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Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 20:57
by Suckermouth
I don't think it's a Chaetostoma. I haven't looked at a ton of Chaetostoma but I don't think that tail shape is typical in that genus. A Peckoltia (or Hemiancistrus) I think is pretty likely, but I am not familiar with those genera. Looks vaguely like the fish in the pic of L055, for instance.

Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 21:06
by Birger Amundsen
I`m waiting for better picks on botht species.... They are supposed to be collected in Peru?

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Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 21:35
by Unungy
It looks like L226 to me

When they are stressed the color changes. It looks like an adult one

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/im ... ge_id=6316

Regards,
Saul

Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 22:01
by Birger Amundsen
I`w hade some 226 before, dont look like those to me....

Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 22:49
by Birger Amundsen
Unungy wrote:It looks like L226 to me

When they are stressed the color changed. It looks like an adult one

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/im ... ge_id=6316

Regards,
Saul
I think you might be right :-)

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Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 01:22
by Unungy
I'm Glad you found and ID for your pleco.
They are so beautiful and very wanted in Europe, good luck breeding them.

Regards,

Saul

Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 03:35
by nvcichlids
Birger Amundsen wrote:How about this, sold as unknown specie???


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This reminded me of as that is the angle I see of my male the most.

Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 03:43
by Unungy
A little hard to see from that picture but I'm sure if better pics are provided someone here will be able to have an idea or at least will try to ID it.

Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 11:04
by Birger Amundsen
Better pick of the so called "sp blue"

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Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 11:15
by Birger Amundsen
One more without ID...

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Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 11:51
by Borbi
Hi,

..your Peckoltia sp. "Blue" should be .

And the last one is most likely Ancistomus sp. "L 147" (or Hemiancistrus, if I remember correctly).

Cheers, Sandor

[Mod edit: replaced/added CLOG links to make it easier to access --Mats]

Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 13:11
by Birger Amundsen
Thanks Sandor :D

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Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 13:21
by MatsP
Can we confirm the export location of the L055 - if that can be confirm, I'd say it's correctly ID'd, and we then want pictures of that one, as we only have a single picture...

I think L147 is the correct ID for that one. But if both fish came from the same exporter, I don't think the L055 is correct ID, as there is a huge amoung of geographical obstacles between the Rio Meta area in Venezulea/Colombia, and Araguaia in the Brazilian state of Amapa on the border to French Guiana.

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Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 13:48
by Birger Amundsen
I`l se if I can find out Mats. Get on it ASAP

Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 14:40
by Unungy
Birger Amundsen wrote:Better pick of the so called "sp blue"

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This guy looks like it is in deed L55, but may a location help to be sure.
Birger Amundsen wrote:One more without ID...

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It the fish came from the same exporter.. I will say this is a super nice L277.


Regards,
Saul

Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 14:51
by MatsP
I'm sure you mean to type something other than L277 - perhaps?

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Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 15:10
by Unungy
Yep typo thanks Matt

Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 24 Mar 2010, 13:04
by Rita Aspevik
Hello everyone.

First of all, I apologize for my bad english :wink:

It's my daughter and her boyfriend who have purchased these fish.
4 individuals purchased as Peckoltia sp. Rio Itaya and 7 purchased as Peckoltia sp. Blue.
We see that the 4 "Rio Itaya" must be three different species.
I make a new thread for each of the 4 species, then it's maybe easier to identify each species :D

Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 24 Mar 2010, 21:35
by Birger Amundsen
Mabe one of the moderators should close/delete this thread, so there there will not be to much confusion, since a new tread about the same fishes has been opened???

Re: Better picks to follow

Posted: 24 Mar 2010, 21:53
by MatsP
Unless there are NEW posts in the thread that are clearly confusing, I'd say it's fine to just leave this thread as it is - no one post here unless it's CLEARING something up.

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