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just wondering how old and how big do l104 clown plecos have to be to breed
i have 3 of them and 2 of them are fat and chubby and one of them is quite a bit skinnier and there only around 2 inches long
does the size mean sex? like the 2 fater ones are possibly females and the skinnier one is a male?
anyhelp would be appreciated

I would say that they are possibly a little bit on the small side if they are 5cm/2" total length, but possibly. The male will have quite a hairy body when mature.

They aren't the easiest to breed (mine have spawned a couple of times, but no fry).

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Mats

Post some photos of them and it will be MUCH easier to sex them. Photos from above is the best imo.

dont really have a decent camera but i think i got a few shots of them just after i got them which was about 2 weeks ago
pics are bad and are only top view and is only 2/3 clown plecos and one of my L168 plecos

Unfortunately, the first photo is not clear enough, and the second one is a bit too small to see if the body [all parts behind the head] is "hairy" or not.

Here's a shot of my male:



Edit: Yes, the "other" fish is a of some sort.
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Mats

thanks, i just had a close look at the three of them and the thinest of the three seems to have tiny little hairs on its body which i didnt notice before now .
so are these hair looking things odontodes
the l104 page says they grow elongated odontodes but yea i dont have a clue what that means lol.

Yep, that's odontodes. Then you have a trio which Is great I think.

yea a trio sounds good to me but more than a trio sounds better lol... so soon as i get paid next week im going to find some more for sale and go and buy 2-3 more

I have got a group of 15 in a 48 by 18 and hoping that they will breed for me. There is a lot of activity around the caves but no spawning yet. Good luck with your efforts.