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Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 15:44
by Haavard Stoere
I´m extatic :D

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Yesterday I saw a couple of Hemis in one of the caves. I couldn´t dare to believe that there was something going on. Today there was just one of the smaller males in the cave, and he was doing the "moves". I tried to slightly turn the cave so that I could see inside, and that scared the male off. I took the clutch and placed it in a guppy breeding box with an airstone.

The raining season hadn´t even started yet. I fed them normal/large quantities of canned peas, salmon pellets, shrimp pellets and bloodworms. Strictly no water change. Also added salt and gibsen to elevate conductivity and gh. Four days ago my heater failed, and the water have gotten colder. It sank from 28 degrees to 26.5 degrees.

I usually let the male take care of the eggs. What do I do now?

Cheers :cheers:

Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 16:12
by Daragh
Fantastic, congratulations, looking forward to seeing how things develop for you...

Brilliant thread.

Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 16:25
by Haavard Stoere
Thank you:)

My dream is to fill my 720 liter tank with these wonderful fish.

Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 16:30
by Shane
I usually let the male take care of the eggs. What do I do now?
Outstanding work! First place the eggs in a container within the parent's tank. I like to use a breeders net trap of the type sold for livebearers. Place an air stone near (not on) the eggs to simulate the male fanning water over then. Provided the main tank has good water quality (and I am sure it does) you do not need to ad any medications.
-Shane
PS I have not used the above method with the same spp, but have used it with success with 3-4 different Ancistrus spp.

Here are some different type of products available. I use the Lee's Net Breeder, but any of these should work.
http://www.aquariumguys.com/refugiums.html

Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 16:51
by MatsP
Wow! Good luck!

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Mats

Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 17:32
by Haavard Stoere
Thanks for the advice, Shane :) Thank you Mats :D

Should I add snails?

Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 17:44
by Kostas
Big congratulations Haavard!!! :) :wink: You did it!!!You setted up a tank good enough for them to breed :wink: I wish to follow your example soon :D

I would say that it would be a bit risky adding snails at the egg stage...Its safer to add them after all eggs have hatched although there is no absolut need for them...

Good luck with the eggs!

Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 17:54
by Shane
I agree with Kostas. Skip the snails.
-Shane

Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 18:29
by Haavard Stoere
How long before I can see if the eggs are fertilized?

It is really weird about the male who guarded the eggs... He is rather small.

I believe this is the male. He is only 12cm tl. (earlier photo). On the other hand I have had him for about 2 years and 8 moths, so he is no juvenile.
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 18:49
by jopbgon
Congrats bro!!!!!! tup

Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 20:24
by Erlend D Bertelsen
Congratulations Haavard.

That was fast. I hope you have success with the eggs.

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Posted: 11 Dec 2007, 09:12
by husky_jim
Hi Haavard!

Congrads of the impressive news!

Can't wait till your next update!!!!

Posted: 11 Dec 2007, 10:22
by cmstwc
Wow! Congratulations!!!! Is this the first time in history?

Posted: 11 Dec 2007, 10:44
by firenzenz
Dude!!!

How cool is that- Well done!

Posted: 11 Dec 2007, 12:31
by Richard B
Excellent work Haavard! Well done -let's just hope it becomes a regular occurrance (maybe with other individuals?)

Keep us updated with your progress

Posted: 11 Dec 2007, 14:51
by Haavard Stoere
Thank you guys :) The eggs are still looking fine.
cmstwc wrote:Wow! Congratulations!!!! Is this the first time in history?
H. subviridis has been bred twice by another norwegian.
Richard B wrote:let's just hope it becomes a regular occurrance (maybe with other individuals?)
I believe it will be a regular occurance. Yesterday I startet a rainy season in the tank. From now on I will try to flokk breed the fish in the main tank without intervension. The filtersystems are specially constructed for this purpose.

Posted: 11 Dec 2007, 20:23
by Haavard Stoere
A small update... The eggs are about the same. Nothing rotting or molding as far as I can see. Are the white ghostly things the embryos?

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Posted: 12 Dec 2007, 14:49
by jopbgon
Nice!!! :ohyeah: can't wait to see the babies :wink:

Posted: 12 Dec 2007, 16:26
by drd
Hi Harvaard !

This is fantastic news for any L200 lover out there.
I am thrilled to follow your thread about yours because i have a couple of them myself.
Maybe not the biggest but they are about 12-14 cm big.
How big was the female mother of this bunch of eggs ?

I belive that i have one of each here at least.

They are in my 720 litre tank with my breeding group of L333´s.

The L333´s are getting about 80 or so bigger every month now, soon i have to get rid of halv of my youngsters i belive because they are so many now that i hardly have room for them all.

Your eggpic is almost as nice as my sturisoma eggpic :D
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Posted: 12 Dec 2007, 17:06
by Haavard Stoere
drd wrote:Your eggpic is almost as nice as my sturisoma eggpic :D
Yeah! I will have to do something about that :wink:

I shall mount my flashlamps over the eggs in an attempt to produce something better:D :)

Posted: 12 Dec 2007, 18:29
by Haavard Stoere
Todays update. I can see them moving, and a couple of them has their tails outside their egg.
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Posted: 12 Dec 2007, 19:08
by Bas Pels
I'm really looking forward to the next pic of the buch of grapes

Too bad Norway is so far away, I somehow get the idea it will be possible to get L200 -F! next summer over there

Posted: 12 Dec 2007, 19:31
by grokefish
That is really cool Haavard I'm quite speechless.
It's like that movie "Feilds of dreams"
"Build it and they will come."
You havn't got Kevin Costner hiding about the place have you?
Matt

Posted: 12 Dec 2007, 20:25
by MatsP
Would anyone mind very much if I split this thread into one about the breeding, and the other being the part about the tank design? It's quite long already, being about 7 pages of posts, and I'm sure (hope so) that it's going to continue about the breeding effort for some further time.

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Mats

Posted: 12 Dec 2007, 21:54
by Haavard Stoere
Good idea, Mats :) Split it please :)
drd wrote: Maybe not the biggest but they are about 12-14 cm big.
How big was the female mother of this bunch of eggs ?
The male(father) is 12cm. My largest female is 13cm, but I suspect one of the smaller females is responsible for the egglaying. I really don´t know. I can see the male is in the "Check out my beautiful cave" stance again.

Posted: 13 Dec 2007, 10:27
by oscar300
WOW :)

Saw your originl thread and thought it was ambitious........Well done you!!!

Posted: 13 Dec 2007, 17:36
by Mike_Noren
Haavard Stoere wrote:Are the white ghostly things the embryos?
Yes.

Posted: 13 Dec 2007, 19:26
by AndreasB
Congratulation, this is just amazing :thumbsup:
I hope you get some more eggs.

Andreas

Posted: 13 Dec 2007, 23:39
by Haavard Stoere
They all died today.

Posted: 13 Dec 2007, 23:52
by jopbgon
Haavard Stoere wrote:They all died today.
Oh no man that sucks :x :cry: ....but don't worry the first spawn is the hardest, I know the will keep breeding :wink: , now figure out what could get wrong, personally the next time I will let the parents to take care of them