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Please Help Me Identify This Catfish

Posted: 07 Mar 2006, 20:47
by Altifrons
Hi,i bought these catfishs and the only thing i know is they was exported from Peru ,i would apreciate if you guys could help me id them. Thanks
http://www.zoopet.com/medlemsbilder/sho ... photo=4070

http://www.zoopet.com/medlemsbilder/sho ... photo=4069

http://www.zoopet.com/medlemsbilder/sho ... photo=4023

Posted: 07 Mar 2006, 20:58
by zenyfish
Looks like this:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/pa ... /172_F.PHP

Not from Peru though.

Posted: 07 Mar 2006, 21:33
by Marc van Arc
Because of the large and visible barbels, I'm leaning more towards Pseudeutropius brachypopterus. It sits in Schilbeidae. Have a look at all pictures.
But again, not from Peru....

Posted: 07 Mar 2006, 22:29
by Silurus
I don't think those are Pseudeutropius. I am fairly certain they are some kind of Auchenipterus (which makes their origin from Peru more plausible).

Posted: 07 Mar 2006, 22:49
by Jools
- that's a REAL find. Any chance I can have some pics? :-) The crazy zigzag near the lateral line is the giveaway...

Jools

Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 11:36
by Mike_Noren
Is the "wavy" lateral line unique for Epapterus dispilurus?

These photos have earlier been posted on a Swedish website, and a coworker of mine, who's far better at catfish than me, thought it might be an Auchenipterus nuchalis (although his first impression was "some Epapterus").

Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 11:39
by Silurus
Both Auchenipterus and Epapterus have this form of lateral line, although this is also not unique to auchenipterids.

Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 17:40
by Marc van Arc
Now that I've been put in the right direction (Auchenipteridae; how about that :oops: ), I have a certain ID on the genus, but not on the species.
Epapterus have always reminded me of glass catfish in appearance, especially because they have a small dorsal close to the head and lack an adipose.
So the fish in the picture must be Auchenipterus (larger dorsal and an adipose). But which one?
No problem, there is only one species. At least in 1974...
Now there are 11 valid species, of which 9 are not native to Peru, including A. nuchalis, the best known fish of the genus and - until 15 minutes ago - my best bet as well. There are two that are: A. ambyiacus Fowler, 1915 and A. brachyurus (Cope, 1878). I have never seen pictures of these two, but I surely hope they look a lot like A. nuchalis, for this one looks identical to the fish on Altifrons' pictures.
BTW: I checked several books for descriptions of these fish. They state all the same. Unfortunately Burgess has swapped the captions, thus making it look like Epapterus is Auchenipterus and vice versa ( pages 590-595-596; Atlas of freshwater and marine catfishes ).

Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 18:16
by Silurus
Using the Ferraris & Vari (1999) revision of Auchenipterus (I know Marc may want to get his hands on a copy), it looks more likely to be A. ambyiacus.

Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 19:17
by Marc van Arc
Are you telling me you have a spare one? :D
Or have you perhaps found other ways to obtain a copy?
If so, I'm very interested indeed.

Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 19:27
by Silurus
Marc, check your mailbox.

Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 20:37
by Altifrons
Thank you very much :D
Tow more pictures just to be shoure
http://www.zoopet.com/medlemsbilder/sho ... photo=4077
http://www.zoopet.com/medlemsbilder/sho ... photo=4076
Jools wrote:Any chance I can have some pics? :-) Jools
Yes you may have,which one :?:

Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 20:50
by Marc van Arc
Silurus wrote:Marc, check your mailbox.
Wow, it's completely filled! Very impressive. Thank you so much :)

Posted: 08 Mar 2006, 22:58
by Marc van Arc
To HH: the printer has been running for more than one hour, but I now have all 64 pages in my hands. Reading time :D

To Jools (if you're going to add this species to the Cat-eLog): Auchenipterus ambyiacus Fowler, 1915. This species has NO synonyms.

Posted: 09 Mar 2006, 17:07
by Marc van Arc
Altifrons, did your LFS have a name for these catfishes? It may not have been on the tank they were in, but there should have been a name on the orderform from the wholesaler. Is this much trouble for you to find out?
Thanks.

Posted: 09 Mar 2006, 18:27
by Altifrons
They didnt have any information,the catfishs came by mistake in a box with pim-cats.

Posted: 09 Mar 2006, 20:13
by Marc van Arc
Goodness, I wish they made mistakes like that around here as well :wink: .
Anyway, thanks for your reply and take good care of your very special Auchenipterids.

Posted: 10 Mar 2006, 11:51
by Altifrons
Mistakes happens everywhere but you have to be in the right place at the right time :wink: