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How best to transport a fish tank

Posted: 07 Aug 2005, 14:26
by portwayfarm
Hi as the title suggests we may have to transport our tank.

1. Obviously fish in bag of tank water - 1 fish per bag.
2. What to do about good bacteria? Would think it would die.
3. Therefore when putting fish in tank again, tank would need to cycle.
4. Even if I put them in a spare tank that one would have to cycle too.
5. What do we do about the substrate? - eco complete. How do we transport it?
6. How do we transport the plants? - same way as we do the fish?

We are selling up and moving into rented accomadation.

Then the really big question......

Has anyone ever transported fish overseas? And I mean UK to Canada? It will break my heart to leave the fish and I feel that we are taking the dogs with us so why not the fish. Within reason cost is not an issue, and to be fair fish do get transported by breeders and shippers so it must be possible.

Any thoughts or suggestions even ones which tell me how stupid we are being are more than welcome. Cheers. :D

Posted: 07 Aug 2005, 16:38
by MT-ED
Hi, my first post here. I was directed here by someone in Canada because I can particularly help out with the second part of this multi-question post.

First part first. The first thing is exactly what are the logistics here? Reading between the lines, I see you selling up, moving into rented accomodation until such time as you emmigrate to Canada correct?

So, next question(s):

1) How far (timewise) is the move from your house to the rental?

2) Do you have "overlap" access to the rental before the house sale is completed?

If the second answer is "yes", then that can make the logistics a little easier.

Right, let's go through your Q's.........

1. Obviously fish in bag of tank water - 1 fish per bag.

A. Depends what they are. Small fish such as tetras can easily be bagged in multiples. Use little water, lots of air and pack all the fish in an insulated box. If you have good relations with a local shop, they might give, or sell you the shipping boxes that they receive fish in. Anything spiney, such as Plecostomus species are best bagged seperately although Corydoras will be OK in multiples. Double bag everything for security and even treble up if you have something particularly prone to puncturing bags.

2. What to do about good bacteria? Would think it would die.

A. Here's where the time factor comes in. Bacteria need oxygen, so drain any cannister filters, but leave them wet, so bacteria can "breath".

3. Therefore when putting fish in tank again, tank would need to cycle.

A. Go to a camping shop or hardware store and buy one or two big water carrying containers. Fill these with mature tank water before you start breaking down the tank or catching fish. Depends on tank size, but go for at least one third of the total capacity. This will then effectively feel like a major water-change and spring-clean for the fish.

4. Even if I put them in a spare tank that one would have to cycle too.

A. If you have a spare tank, you can set that up bare at the rental accomodation and use the saved water and just hook up the mature filter(s). Then set up the other tank at your leisure.

5. What do we do about the substrate? - eco complete. How do we transport it?

A. Heavy job, depending on tank size of course. Scoop it out as-is and transport it in biuckets. Put it into the tank at the new place and place a large plate on the substrate then partially fill the tank with dechlorinated water at approximately the normal tank temperature, pouring it onto the plate, so as not to disturb the substrate. It's still going to be pretty messy, so you can syphon off this initial fill, along with disturbed mulm, and then refill again. At around half full, add your original tank water, then top up with fresh to the correct level.
Hook up your filter(s) heaters, etc. and switch on. Leave it for a while to clear some of the inevitable cloudiness.

6. How do we transport the plants? - same way as we do the fish?

A. Plants are easy. Put them in bags and inflate the bag. This stops the plants getting crushed in transit.


OK.....CANADA. Good news is that Canada has no restrictions on importing ornamental fish as long as they are not an endangered species. This was certainly the status when I came here from Suffolk in August, 2001. I would check up with Agriculture Canada via the web to check current regs.
I came here right in the middle of Foot & Mouth in England, so did a CYA move and contacted CEEFAS in England who are responsible for Fisheries. They were extremely helpful and gave me a nice letter stating the fish were "of no agricultural threat". Good call on my part because Air Canada were reluctant to accept them, but the letter clinched it.

There's two ways to go about shipping the fish. If it's quite a few, then you need to pack them in regular shipping boxes. If you manage to obtain some for your move, then keep them for the Trans-Atlantic trip. I initially rang Air Canada's freight department at Heathrow. They wanted to charge me a bunch of dough and it seems there would be quite a lot of hoops to jump through, but mainly that route doesn't work, I feel because you have to garuantee that the fish go on the same flight as you so you can get them at the other end.

Now, before I came here, my then girlfriend came and visited and she took back some Uaru. She just walked up to check-in and the fish were accepted, no charge as regular baggage to go in the hold. I'm guessing that they got re-directed to Special Handling and went in the heated luggage compartmment on the plane.

So when muggins walks up to the check-in in April 2001, I have two shipping boxes taped together as one because the freight guys told me they charge by the box. I thought I would be clever and make it "one box", but they weren't being fooled :roll: So I got charged for two, BUT this charge was less than I had been quoted by the freight department, so I wasn't that unhappy.
Here's the crux of the matter though. It was getting on for 200 quid if I remember correctly. Bottom line is, are the fish you want to ship worth that in intrinsic value or emotional value, or could you replace them with other's once you're set up in Canada?
I had to take the box(s) to the special-handling area and when I got to Pearson's luggage collection area the box was sitting there waiting for me even before my bags arrived!

For me, I considered certain fish I had a high emotional attachment to, plus they were fairly rare in Canada as far as I was aware.....a Royal Panaque and an Adonis plec for instance, plus a group of nice Clown Loaches. I had other more "common" species that basically I shipped because there was room for them in the boxes. Also, there were several established aquariums waiting for them in Toronto.

That trip was to come over and get married. In August, I came here permanently, and that time brought over my Hillstream Loaches in my carry-on. I was not charged anything and they sat in my bag in the overhead locker. I declared them on the customs form they give you on the plane, and I was directed to the "declaration" part of Customs. The guy asked me what I had and said he wasn't sure about them, so contacted a Supervisor. He arrives and says, "Can I have a look please?".
I got them out of my carry-on bag and he asked, "Are they endangered species?" to which I answered negative. He never actually asked me what species they actually were. I was then told I could go. Completely painless!

Now what you do with them once you get here is your problem based on the circumstances that you have set up here.

Whereabouts are you coming to? If you're going west-coast, obviously the flight is much longer and the possibility of including oxygen in the bags because of the extra duration comes into question. I had a souce (don't ask) on the April trip and used O2, but the Hillstreams, even with their high Oxygen requirements were perfectly OK with only air and infact the Pseudogastromyzon cheni bred just a few weeks later!

Hope this all helps some,

Martin Thoene, Toronto.

Posted: 07 Aug 2005, 19:01
by bronzefry
I'd like to welcome both of you to Planet Catfish! :D

I have little experience moving, but I have saved Marineland BioWheels which contain the "good bacteria". I've found through my limited experience that sealing these objects in plastic bags, while moist, for a period of about 14 days or less will keep some of the bacteria alive. The conditions were as follows:

A dark closet with an average temperature of 72 degrees F. or 22 degrees C. These conditions were relatively stable during this time frame. I imagine you wouldn't have this luxury when shipping something. I thought I'd have to start over again with the bacteria on the BioWheels, but the loss seemed to be minimal. These are just my observations. I have no scientific means to back this up. I just thought you might find it interesting.

Posted: 07 Aug 2005, 21:38
by portwayfarm
Thnaks to both of you. At least I feel less like a freak now that I know shipping of fish is not impossible!

Yeh sell up and go into rented before departing to Nova Scotia.

Have access to rented prior to moving so I could put my 4 fish into the smaller tank (hospital tank) and leave them in our house, and move the 54 us g tank into the rented and get it cycled. That makes a lot of sense. Do not look forward to shifting all the substrate but all up for a laugh :lol:

I shall keep everyone posted on this adventure as one way or the other I cannot imagine this being unadventful...... :shock:

Posted: 07 Aug 2005, 22:15
by Birger
These people are a friendly bunch,

http://www.eastcoastaquariumsociety.ca/

Maybe there is some way they can help you out as far as a temporary home for your fish,where in Nova Scotia are you headed to.

Birger

Posted: 07 Aug 2005, 22:18
by MT-ED
Oh, Nova Scotia. Halifax by any chance? If so, depending on your plans, maybe this place could board your fish till you get settled?

http://findabusiness.yellowpages.ca/mp/ ... 60007.html

Just an idea.

Martin.

Posted: 08 Aug 2005, 12:03
by MatsP
Depending on how far you're moving (and when during the year), you could also consider a bigger "bucket", rather than the plastic bags. If you catch the fish and have a bucket with a lid, you should be able to move the fish in that. Again, lots of air, only little water.

Wilkinsons do nice plastic storage boxes for next to nothing (3-6 quid including lid) that can be used for this. Great thing is that they are quite a large surface area too.

If you plan on keeping the fish in there for a longer period (more than a couple of hours), consider getting at least an air-stone, or perhaps a sponge filter. If you're driving a long distance, you can get an air-pump that runs off 12V from the lighter-connection in the car, or off simple batteries.

Builders buckets are available for less than a pound each from the big DIY shops (B&Q, Wickes, etc). They are great for shifting the gravel and other "wet bits".

3 x 25 liter drum for your tank-water, and pour it back in again.

If the time between finishing emptying the tank and filling it with water again is less than a couple of hours, you should be OK with moving them straight away.

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Mats