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Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 25 Oct 2008, 20:20
by Morten
Grattis Haavard,
Looking great.
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 25 Oct 2008, 20:24
by husky_jim
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 25 Oct 2008, 20:55
by Haavard Stoere
Thanks everyone
It is nice to share the story. Can`t imagine how lonely it must have been before the Internet. There were of course other medias, but nonetheless!
Anyways:)
The count is now 17. The last one to die was the last one with injury to his yolk sac. All the remaining fish are without any visible defects or injuries. I bet most of them will be ok. The male had a female visitor in his cave a few minutes ago. It is difficult to see inside the cave, so I can`t be sure if she left anything. The cave is very deep.
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 25 Oct 2008, 22:25
by junaid
wow good work sir
them pics of the adult l200's are absolutly amazing and i will defiantly set them as my desktop
good luck with the fry and i really hope you have another spawn coming
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 25 Oct 2008, 22:44
by Haavard Stoere
Yesterday I was thinking that maybe I shouldn't`t post pictures of the fry every day. Tonight I am thinking that this is a live thread, not an article, so maybe it would be best to at least post post pictures every day as long as the fry develops significantly every day, and maybe post less pictures as the metamorphosis to adult shape is completed. I can of course choose to use less images in a future article, so why not post everything?
My convolution is of course to post everything as long as there is some progress to be seen. I bet this means posting every day for at least a week. Really looking forward to experimenting on food items for the juveniles. I bet crushed canned peas are a good start
A couple of minutes ago I was working in the tank to raise the front of the cave as suggested by Apistomaster above, when a female left the males cave. This seems to become a potentially productive winter
I have several adult females by the way, so another breeding attempt this soon should be possible anytime.
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 25 Oct 2008, 23:49
by Birger
It is obvious how proud you are to have this happen and it is great that you share with all of us, your pictures are always top notch.Those of us that have followed along with your posts also know how much work you have put in, to get these results.
So keep on posting.
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 26 Oct 2008, 01:18
by Jon
cupoflifenoodles@gmail.com
could you send me a larger version of that photo as well?
thanks.
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 26 Oct 2008, 06:28
by cmstwc
This is a amazing thread! I have been follow it for a long time! GREAT JOB!! I love you pictures and fish and decos!! GOOD LUCK!!!
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 26 Oct 2008, 10:11
by andywoolloo
I also wish for you to keep telling us every step
! It's wonderful reading and viewing!
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 26 Oct 2008, 13:04
by Haavard Stoere
I am very proud indeed
The count is still 17
The male have a female visitor in his cave. The caves entrance is tilted around 25degrees upwards to avoid the eggs from falling out. This time the male will finally get a chance to take care of eggs/fry unless something unexpected happens. Photographing the inside of the cave is nearly impossible. The male won`t accept the cave when the opening is towards the front of the tank (I have tried several times). To view the inside of the cave I have to see through 130cm of aerated water from the right side of the tank.
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 26 Oct 2008, 21:58
by Haavard Stoere
Today s picture update:
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 26 Oct 2008, 22:19
by andywoolloo
wow, they are developing so fast! can they move with that big yolk sac attached to them, or are they stuck in one place?
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 26 Oct 2008, 22:37
by Haavard Stoere
They move around like plecos
The alpha male is guarding a clutch of eggs again
Water parameters this evening:
Temperature 30.4
Ph 7,6
Gh 3
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 27 Oct 2008, 01:06
by husky_jim
Haavard Stoere wrote:They move around like plecos
The alpha male is guarding a clutch of eggs again
Water parameters this evening:
Temperature 30.4
Ph 7,6
Gh 3
Fantastic news again!!!!!
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 27 Oct 2008, 08:42
by Loracidlover
Wow! very very impressive Haavard, a little Hemiancistrus factory you've got there! The fry also seem to be developing well.
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 27 Oct 2008, 19:10
by Haavard Stoere
All is well
The count is only 16 cause I accidentally lost one fry in the main tank. It will probably be ok. No nasty fish in the tank.
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 27 Oct 2008, 22:35
by Cristoffer Forssander
You make breeding of L200 look easy! Amazing!
Hope the male will keep the eggs this time!
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 27 Oct 2008, 22:44
by Graeme
Superb news!!
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 27 Oct 2008, 22:59
by Haavard Stoere
Cristoffer Forssander wrote:
Hope the male will keep the eggs this time!
The greedy part of me wants to steal the eggs, and let him have a female visitor again in a few days. I think I can control myself
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 27 Oct 2008, 23:25
by MatsP
Haavard Stoere wrote:Cristoffer Forssander wrote:
Hope the male will keep the eggs this time!
The greedy part of me wants to steal the eggs, and let him have a female visitor again in a few days. I think I can control myself
My inclination would be that you are better off NOT stealing the eggs. The father has naturally evolved for millions of years to look after baby Loricariidae. Humans are poor replacements. When I have tried to "rescue" Bristlenose babies, my personal results is much worse than the father's results.
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Mats
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 15:24
by Haavard Stoere
I absolutely agree about the fishs ability to take care of eggs and fry, but I also think about the number of gravis females in the tank, and total productivity this winter. Thats why I used the word greedy
Letting the male take care of the eggs and fry gives me a chance to observe and document natural brood care, and It will be way cool to photograph the juveniles during the day/days they start migrating from the cave. Photographing the inside of the cave is almost impossible because it is 20cm deep.
About food.... I was thinking about crushed canned peas, soaked flakefood, tabimins. Also a couple of pieces of rotten wood and some dead leaves as shelter and fiber in the breeding box. Any suggestions on food items?
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 16:09
by apistomaster
Hi Haavard,
My staple first food that has worked well for all the Loricaridae fry I have had the chance to raise; L134, L260, Sturisoma and common Ancistrus is earthworm sticks. Despite their name, they also contain shrimp and Spirulina. The sticks turn to a mush which new free swimming fry seem to be able to easily eat and the species listed typically more than triple their size within 4 weeks.
I think the fry benefit from an early diet richer in animal protein than perhaps the species does later on in life.
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 16:57
by Haavard Stoere
Earthworm sticks are not sold in Norway as far as I know, but we have something called Wardley shrimp pellets. It also turns into a mush after a short while. Do you know any webbased shops that sells earthworm sticks?
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 17:08
by husky_jim
Haavard Stoere wrote:Earthworm sticks are not sold in Norway as far as I know, but we have something called Wardley shrimp pellets. It also turns into a mush after a short while. Do you know any webbased shops that sells earthworm sticks?
IMO this is the best plecofood ever made......
http://www.aquaristic.net/shop.php/sid/ ... d/Tropical
Topical's Pleco's Tabin with wood and 36% Spirulina...It is incredible!
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 18:46
by Haavard Stoere
The foods sold in local shops are jbl, tetra, wardley. Unfortunately I don`t have the time to order/receive anything else before the fry will have to start eating. I don`t expect feeding to be a real problem since I have a lot of stuff to choose from and experiment with. Sometime in the future I will purchase a few pounds of earthworm sticks for general feeding purposes.
Not much development but anyway...Todays update:
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 20:06
by Bas Pels
I first thought - wow, much more colored, and than I read:
Not much development but anyway
So you just presented us with another beautifull picture
I'm not complaining
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 20:12
by Haavard Stoere
I can see what you mean
When I wrote it earlier I only had the photo from the day before in my head. When I look at it now together with the previous photo the development is so evident you would have to be half blind not to notice.
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 22:19
by andywoolloo
wow, what a picture!
i got my earthworm sticks from here
http://www.aquaticeco.com/subcategories ... orm-Sticks
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 22:25
by TP
I'm really enjoying following this thread.
You could try here for earthworm sticks and other more unusual foods. They appear to ship to Europe.
http://www.ta-aquaculture.co.uk/
Re: Breeding Hemiancistrus subviridis
Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 23:01
by Jørn Kåsa
Perfect fotos as always Håvard.I hope you reis them all.
Jørn