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Phyllonemus wrote:Tropheus combined with Pleco's is completely INSANE

Tropheus need hard alkaline water plecs nee a low PH and a lo KH.
Tropheus are very sensitive to Bloat when giving them protein rich foods that the Pleco's need.

To me you are completely irresponsible to your animals, and completely nuts.

It should be forbidden to sell fishes to people like you

Phyllonemus wrote:Malawians combined with pleco's is the same shit.
You shouldn't combine them for the same reasons mentioned before

Phyllonemus wrote:Malawians combined with pleco's is the same shit.
You shouldn't combine them for the same reasons mentioned before

Is cursing the only thing you are capable of ?
Looks that way.

If You think you are housing Tropheus the right, keep on dreaming.
They shouldn't be kept in a tank with almost no furniture ( Rocks if yo don't know ).
For Tropheus it's impossible to show normal behaviour this way.

jvision wrote:

Phyllonemus wrote:Malawians combined with pleco's is the same shit.
You shouldn't combine them for the same reasons mentioned before

It's simply not true. Back when I was keeping and breeding Malawi cichlids, I had a group of wild caught Ancistrus that wouldn't breed in a tank of their own; but, when I added a group of Mbuna, they started breeding like crazy. Both kinds of fish can thrive in the same water. My local water is moderately hard and slightly alkaline, and I am keeping several types of Pleco in unmodified water that do quite well. It's only when I want some of them to breed that I use RO water. As far as I am aware, that's common practice around the world - maintain your fish in your local water conditions (not modifying your water makes it easier to do large/many water changes), then modify it as needed to induce spawning.

I can kind of understand people being upset with the population density of the tank, but I don't really get why people get all bent out of shape for mixing certain spp. Just because fish don't live together in the wild, doesn't mean they can't in captivity.

eyal8a wrote:To me you are a big moran !!!

rob rensen wrote:You're completely nuts......I feel sorry for the fish.

eyal8a wrote:

rob rensen wrote:One of the issue's of fishkeeping is enjoying the natural behaviour....in a overstocked tank there's no room for natural behaviour. In my opinion you're nothing more then a stamp collector. Those people don't care about the fish....they just want a lot of fish.

keep on jealous

Jools wrote:eyal8a,

I note your use of a toxic icon to denote their first post. However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't mean to start a fight. Can I remind everyone that the forum is moderated and we will not tolerate personal attacks or any other transgression of the rules. If you haven't realised, most people on the forum think what you are doing is unnatural - if you continue with your thread, be aware of that. I note you have singularly avoiding asking what the problem is.

For everyone one else, you are most welcome to post what you think of the tank and indeed ask questions around what might drive someone to do such a thing. But please remember calling someone names is going to get you a warning.

Jools

DutchFry wrote:Your tank is overstocked, even to American standards. and that says it all actually.

zeebo wrote:hi, I am just wondering if you plan to add caves to your tanks ? I use granite caves and have some long pieces of slate propped up stable so they can hang out as they would in their natural environment, and I have 2 exra caves than plecs.

I am not gonna get into the other stuff. Just wondered if caves/slate/hidey holes could be added, without creating unwanted chaos ?

Georgie

jvision wrote:
It's simply not true. Back when I was keeping and breeding Malawi cichlids, I had a group of wild caught Ancistrus that wouldn't breed in a tank of their own; but, when I added a group of Mbuna, they started breeding like crazy.

john82 wrote:You can certainly take a very good photo.
But that is a lot of fish in one tank. U must do some serious maintenance to keep that stable.

thanks bro'
about the maintenance..
i have two massive filters
1.eheim Professional 3 series 2080 (1750LH) filled with only biological media
2.Rena xp4 (1550 LH) only mechanical use (absorb the Sludge)and active carbon(purit by brightwell )
3.every 2 days gravel cleaning
4.every friday 40% water change
5 usnig brightwell Erace cl & florinbacter on weekly use

Phyllonemus wrote:The pictures are showing Malawian and Pleco's together, to put that kid of pictures on a forum, your asking for critical reactions, exept from Americans. They combine everything together and they like it very much also, that's wy the only positive reactions to your setups are coming from Americans

jvision wrote:

It's simply not true. Back when I was keeping and breeding Malawi cichlids, I had a group of wild caught Ancistrus that wouldn't breed in a tank of their own; but, when I added a group of Mbuna, they started breeding like crazy.

Based on water parameters it IS TRUE, Malawi=Hard alkaline water, SA=soft water, a big difference.

i dont expect to get only good replays !! but there is a way of puting things !!!
(by the way, you are doing it again, now you are out against the americans.. )
in a lot of places people combaine malawi fish with other kind of fish (pleco's,ells, tanganika and on..)
i never withness any disaster in their tanks

you have to understand that not everyone is in biotop mater.. & giving the right condition 2 groups can live together.

in my tank all of the pleco's colorful & healthy, AND all of my demasoni were one of the most beautiful & productive pack in Israel. they used to work on weekly base ( 7-10 juvenile each female.

now, as i said before, my biggest love is the pleco's, so as i notice that the demasoni & the Mbamba are'nt fit to the tank any more i sold them !!

rob rensen wrote:Everywhere there are people who overstock their tanks...also in the Netherlands. Those people keep fish as a collection; as many species in one tank....no matter what kind of water they need, food etc....they just don't care and will never learn.

When you wanna keep different fish at least make sure that they need the same water.

I have a group of 7 Panaque Armbrusteri L027 Rio Xingu.....I bought such a group hoping to breed one day.

And Jools; I agree with you that the international Dutch football players are arrogant mercenaries

Deb wrote:

DutchFry wrote:Your tank is overstocked, even to American standards. and that says it all actually.

Actually, it says nothing to me. Of all the remarks made on this thread, this one seems the most offensive.

megacat wrote:This comment is not only insulting and offensive it also shows the lack of respect by that member towards us north amercian hobbyists.

Dutchfry~

Before pointing the finger and singling out us Americans look at your close neighbors over in Asia
who have made overstocked and cramped tanks a normal pratice.