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racoll wrote:Might be fair to her to let her know roughly how much it will cost in advance, otherwise your new fish might be going back to the LFS very quickly indeed!

You should be able to get a rough idea if you take measurements of the average day/night temps in the garage over a few days, and then do a few sums.

The Garage temp has been around 5c. Theres no heating in there at all. What sort of price do you think it will come to?

MatsP is pretty good at this. He'll know the sums.

Are you able to find out your electricity price? I think it's measured in kilowatt/hours.

racoll wrote:MatsP is pretty good at this. He'll know the sums.

Are you able to find out your electricity price? I think it's measured in kilowatt/hours.

I havent got a clue what it is. Where would i be able to find out?

Should be on the bill, or perhaps on the website of your electricity supplier.

racoll wrote:Should be on the bill, or perhaps on the website of your electricity supplier.

My mums asleep now so ill try and find out tomorrow. cheers

Ok, if we assume your heaters are on 50% of the time - so 12 hours per day on average. I use the price of 12p per KWh, as that's approximately what the Southern Electrics website specifies here:
http://www.southern-electric.co.uk/OurPrices/

12 hours * 0.8KW = 9.6KWh per day. For a month of 30 days, that is 288 units. About 35 pounds for a month, 105 pounds per quarterly billing period.

Now, if your heaters can just barely cope, you'd be looking at twice that: 70 pounds a month, 210 pounds per quarter.

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Mats

MatsP wrote:Ok, if we assume your heaters are on 50% of the time - so 12 hours per day on average. I use the price of 12p per KWh, as that's approximately what the Southern Electrics website specifies here:
http://www.southern-electric.co.uk/OurPrices/

12 hours * 0.8KW = 9.6KWh per day. For a month of 30 days, that is 288 units. About 35 pounds for a month, 105 pounds per quarterly billing period.

Now, if your heaters can just barely cope, you'd be looking at twice that: 70 pounds a month, 210 pounds per quarter.

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Mats

Cheers mate. The heaters are and off in the day but are on pretty much constantly at night. I would guess it would be more like the first one in the summer and the second on in the winter so will probably come to about £630 a year. Ill let my mum know but that is a bit more than i was expecting.

I believe bull heads were already mentioned

but I don't think anyone said brown bull head(Ictalurus nebulosus)?

they look real cool you can see them on youtube and they stay relatively small.

I believe the world record is in the low 6 pounds, but I suppose they would be smaller in captivity.

good luck I wish I had the room to house one

maybe if I get my pond set up right with filtration I can keep one in there.

nicofish wrote:I believe bull heads were already mentioned
but I don't think anyone said brown bull head(Ictalurus nebulosus)?

racoll wrote:All ictalurids are basically illegal in the UK.

Not really possible to get these in the UK.

kizno1 wrote:Does anyone know if its legal to take fish from rivers in England?
If it is then i might give the native tank a go. And does anyone know anywhere that sells Ruffe?
Could this work?
A few Ruffe
A group of Bleak
And a large group of minnows or gudgeon

Please avoied native Sp in the UK they are all at risk in some way.

Newts ect are becoming very thin on the ground.

macvsog23 wrote:Please avoied native Sp in the UK they are all at risk in some way.

What makes you say this? Apart from the Salvelinus and Coregonus spp., there is nothing endangered in the UK, and none of these are suitable for an aquarium anyway.

you could try european chub. I saw a nice cold water tank on youtube.



[Mod edit: Use youtube tags instead of youtube link --Mats]

It's to bad bullheads are illegal over there, on the flip side snakeheads are illegal over here, and they seem like they would be interesting to keep.

Judging by their invasion in our waterways, you could definitely keep them in a wide temp range, and save your mother an awful electric bill.

N.American Shiners? I keep Notropis and Cyprinella species indoors, they should be ok as long as not too cold (i.e under ice).