Which Auchenipterids are being kept by PC members?

grokefish · Post by **grokefish** » 18 Jun 2007, 19:32

Ah that will be why it is so hard then.
They are all about 5-5.5"

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 30 Jun 2007, 10:11

Recently I began to see my T. fisheri male again. Normally his two big females are fairly visible, but he had become quite elusive. Yesterday evening I discovered why. There were loud and long grunting noises coming from the tank. First I thought the Liosomadoras and the flatheads were (again) quarrelling over a hidingspot, but it turned out that the fisheri male was trying to clamp one of his females. Like before the attempts were unsuccesful, but he was pretty persistant according to the almost continuous noises.
Next time I'll have my digicam at hand.

racoll · Post by **racoll** » 17 Jul 2007, 12:19

Forgot about this thread....

I am now a member of "club Auchenipteridae"

I picked up six very cute from Pier Aquatics on the Planet Catfish day out.

Funnily, two of them come out every time I feed. The others I haven't seen, although is that really a surprise

They're a really cool fish and I'm glad I got them.

I should get the torch out and try to do a head count, but how do I do that that in here....

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 18 Jul 2007, 15:33

Hi Racoll,
From a very hot Italy: welcome to Club Auchenipteridae

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About the head count: you might as well forget about that. These wriggling creatures are very fast and will not sit still at night. And during the day.... you have already answered that yourself

bronzefry · Post by **bronzefry** » 19 Jul 2007, 16:15

The lone female Tatia perugiae died last week. All three stopped eating. I asked the person who gave them to me about their history. He had them for years. He got them at auction and are tank-bred. I do know they were fed live foods most of the time before I had them(I don't want to blame it on that). I do have RO water in their tank. It's quite soft. I'm wondering if it doesn't agree with them. This happened when I first got them but it quickly passed. I can sit and ponder all day what it is/was. The males are back to eating again. I mostly did water changes and added half-dosages of metronidazole to some frozen daphnia with garlic extract. I did this every other day for the past week. I tried frozen worms again yesterday and they ate them with some passion. Such is life. Time to look for another female or two.

How long-lived are Tatia spp., in general?
Amanda

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 24 Jul 2007, 21:09

Hi Amanda,
I'm sorry to read this about your Tatias. However, I wouldn't ponder too much. Sometimes it just happens. In my group there's one specimen that's always on the the brink of starvation, while the others are filled to the brim - or beyond. You just can't force a fish to eat.
With regard to age: I think Tatia perugiae are able to live for at least 6 years if well kept. You can't speak of Tatias in general because larger species will normally live longer.
I hope you will be able to find another female or maybe more to enjoy this great little fish.

bronzefry · Post by **bronzefry** » 27 Jul 2007, 15:40

Mark,
They're at least 5 years old. I asked the person who gave them to me. He got them at auction and bred them over the past number of years. I can't complain. I will make them comfortable and enjoy them while they're here. I think how we treat them at the end of their lives is just as important as how we treat them at the beginning. I will still look for more. I think this is a good experience for me.
Amanda

michele · Post by **michele** » 30 Jul 2007, 05:36

I currently have what looks like a pair of Liosomodoras oncinus as well as a trio of Trachelopterichthys Exilis cats....

michele · Post by **michele** » 30 Jul 2007, 05:44

What do your jaguars eat?

grokefish wrote:Here is an update on the jaguar catfish breeding project.
Some pictures of one being a typical woodcat or even a piece o wood:

I think I have three males and two females but I'm not that hot at sexing.
They will be being moved to my soon to be complete fish new fish hooss which I will be putting on another thread.
When I move them I will take photos/video and you guys can help me id them, if thats not to much trouble.

The trachy is big but not bad. After a small period of nottiness he/she has settled down and now lives quite happily with the jaguars some L47 a L350 two lima shovel noses three uaru two headstanders (soon to be moved) and the pseudorinelepis in the pchure.
On a totally unrelated note Batrochoglanis Villosus is the most boring catfish I have ever had. I have never seen him come out of his own volition.

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 30 Jul 2007, 10:11

Hello Michele & welcome to PC.
Should I read pair and trio just as numbers or were you able to sex your fishes?
About the diet of jags: they'll eat almost anything. In the beginning they are very elusive, but after they get used to their environment they can be seen more and more, especially at feeding. I feed mine flakes, pellets and a wide range of frozen foods. I sometimes put in some live feeders for my Ageneiosus and - given the chance - the jags will eat them too.

michele · Post by **michele** » 31 Jul 2007, 08:16

[quote="Marc van Arc"]Hello Michele & welcome to PC.
Should I read pair and trio just as numbers or were you able to sex your fishes?
About the diet of jags: they'll eat almost anything. In the beginning they are very elusive, but after they get used to their environment they can be seen more and more, especially at feeding. I feed mine flakes, pellets and a wide range of frozen foods. I sometimes put in some live feeders for my Ageneiosus and - given the chance - the jags will eat them too.

Hey Marc,

The have all been sexed and i've been keeping jaguar cats for the last 15 years and have never observed them eating. These are one of my favorites since my huge male one me an International Catfish Champion trophy!

Michele

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 31 Jul 2007, 13:29

Ah, and I thought you were a beginner

. Well, obviously they do eat otherwise you cannot come up with a winner, but it is peculiar that you could never observe them during such a long time. Do you perhaps always feed long after lights out?
BTW: any chance of a picture of that prize winning male?

C-Magnier · Post by **C-Magnier** » 02 Aug 2007, 08:19

Hi,

11 at the begining, only 4 today

And I have some questions about this wonderful little fish...

What kind of tank, breeding cave shape... Every body tells that this is the same of but I dont think so....

Please help them, I want to keep them alive...

a lot of thanks for them

--
Cathy

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 02 Aug 2007, 09:19

Hi Cathy,
Main questions: how come you've lost 7? Why don't you think it should be kept the same as T. perugiae? Any ideas?

C-Magnier · Post by **C-Magnier** » 02 Aug 2007, 10:16

Hi Marc,

I get this fishes on week 28. The fisrt time I saw them it was about 2 month ago.
I don't think they were in good healf when I'd get them. Some of them were underweight.
I loose the fishes little by little, the first died 2 days after they arrived.
I saw them looking for food, I'm sure some of them were eating.
T.perugiae seems to be a fish easy to keep. So, for an easy fish, loosing 7 of them in 2 weeks...

There's something wrong in my keeping and I don't know what.

I want to put them in a little specific tank (60cm x 30cm) but I don't really know what are there needs...

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Cathy

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 02 Aug 2007, 12:13

Okay, so they were starving when you got them and they have food competion in their current tank.
I'd suggest stict night feeding for your remaining 4 specimen. The other fish will be resting - unless they are catfishes too - and Tatias are very capable of finding food during the night. I'd also suggest floating food, because Tatias are surface feeders. So flakes and mosquito larvae(*) will do fine.
A species tank would probably be best and it shouldn't be too difficult: some hidingplaces (wood) with small caves they can squeeze themselves into, a few plants to dim the light, some current, waterconditions like and of course proper feeding (flakes and different, smaller frozen foods like mosquitos, daphnia, artemia etc).
If I missed something, pls ask.

: when placed gently on the surface they'll float long enough for the Tatias to find them.

C-Magnier · Post by **C-Magnier** » 06 Aug 2007, 08:50

Hi Marc,

A lot of thanks for your answers

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I will give some news here !

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Cathy

racoll · Post by **racoll** » 06 Aug 2007, 10:11

I find they (T. perugiae) absolutely go crazy for frozen daphnia (perhaps live even more so).

This may help if you are struggling to feed them.

C-Magnier · Post by **C-Magnier** » 21 Aug 2007, 15:25

Hi,

Some news about my 4 Centromochlus reticulatus.

They look OK, they eat everything that falls in the tank

. Finaly, I can get 6 other fishes, I just hope that I will have some males and females...

I have other questions about this funny fish. Somebody knows what is it's adult size? If it's 27mm, my fishes are mature.
And if they are mature, I have to purchase the tank with spawn sites... What kind of thing are they need to spawn? Open pipes? just one side open pipes? What size?
Other thing?

Thank you for your help!

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Cathy

C-Magnier · Post by **C-Magnier** » 21 Aug 2007, 15:33

Hi,

I love this picture

I don't know how it's possible to put 3 fishes here but I love this picture...

A+

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Cathy

Oliver D. · Post by **Oliver D.** » 21 Aug 2007, 17:54

Hi!

C-Magnier wrote:Hi,
I don't know how it's possible to put 3 fishes here but I love this picture...

They make from alone. The problem is to catch ONE of them. You can take the pipe with all but nobody comes out.

Best regards,
Oliver

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 21 Aug 2007, 19:06

C-Magnier wrote:Centromochlus reticulatus.
Somebody knows what is it's adult size? If it's 27mm, my fishes are mature.

I really doubt that 27mm SL will be their full size.
Mees writes on this matter (ZV 1974; page 90):
"Size variation unknown - SL 19-27 mm, but probably all specimens are immature".
The same reason is given for the fact that all anal fins are unmodified.

So there's some work for you: see how large they really get.
These fish loves places where they can squeeze themselves into and they don't bother if it's wood or plastic pipes. As long as it's narrow

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BTW: could you post a picture of these fish pls? I'd like to see them if possible.

C-Magnier · Post by **C-Magnier** » 22 Aug 2007, 12:15

Hi Oliver,

Oliver D. wrote:Hi!

They make from alone. The problem is to catch ONE of them. You can take the pipe with all but nobody comes out.

Best regards,
Oliver

. Why disturb them, they are so pretty...

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Cathy

C-Magnier · Post by **C-Magnier** » 22 Aug 2007, 12:28

Hi Marc,

Marc van Arc wrote:
daniel60 wrote:Today I got ten Centromochlus reticulatus:

That's a very good find! When looking at the picture it still puzzles me that people mix these up with T. perugiae...
BTW: nice sale as well. I don't take it you sold them to just one LFS?

According to this thread I thought that all was know about this fish...
However, it's exactly the same fish, a little older, they loose the abdominal red/pink coloration.
I will take pictures as soon as I found my camera

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Not easy to take picts with them...

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Cathy, ASAP

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 22 Aug 2007, 18:51

C-Magnier wrote:According to this thread I thought that all was know about this fish...

Hi Cathy,
I understand. Imo basically all Tatias behave alike.
The pattern, size and origin may differ, but their behaviour is generally like it has been described in the article on .
But I can understand that people get confused. Even in Mergus 6 it reads: Some Tatias have internal fertilization and others have external fertilization. To the latter group belong for instance Tatia perugiae and Tatia (cf) reticulata

. Which is not true.
In this book the T. (cf) reticulata is given a lenght of 4,5 cms. In case you want to check it out: Mergus Aquarien Atlas 6; pages 474-475.

ID not 100% according to the authors (therefore it says cf). Looks good to me, but I can't find out whether it's a larger specimen on large gravel or a very small one on normal gravel. Anyway, the pattern is less visible than that of the specimen pictured by daniel60.
BTW: Mergus used the previous name, which has been replaced by Centromochlus reticulatus. Not that it's worth much, but this one could have remained a Tatia imo.

C-Magnier · Post by **C-Magnier** » 23 Aug 2007, 12:56

Hi,

More pictures later, I hope...

A+

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Cathy
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Post by **Marc van Arc** » 23 Aug 2007, 15:23

This looks a lot like the fish that was pictured in Mergus 6.
If I measure correctly, this fish is 3,3 cms SL (and 3,7 TL), which means it's already 0,6 cms larger than indicated.
I take it you bought them in Switzerland? Nice picture btw.

Daniel60, could you confirm your fish look like this one or are they still as bright as the one you've pictured?

C-Magnier · Post by **C-Magnier** » 24 Aug 2007, 08:48

Hi,

Don't forget I'm French, and my English is poor

About Mergus 2-->6 : I'd like to get these books but I choose Spanish at scool... So I dont understand germain.
I hope they will traduce these books...

A question first :
- Where is the difference between Tatia sp and Centromochlus sp? I thought first that is was fertilization process, but it's wrong...
May be the size?

cames from Guyana.

I think that my fishes are not mature, they dont show any difference in anal fins. Or I have 4 females, it's possible... I'm not sure that the fish on picture is the biggest.

Next week I 'll get 6 other fishes.
If you want more details about their trade origin, MP me...

More picts next week I hope, they are not so shy finaly.

A+

--
Cathy

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Post by **Marc van Arc** » 24 Aug 2007, 20:37

C-Magnier wrote:Don't forget I'm French, and my English is poor

Madame, votre Anglais est parfait. Quelle part de ma réponse était difficile de comprendre?

C-Magnier wrote: A question first :
- Where is the difference between Tatia sp and Centromochlus sp? I thought first that is was fertilization process, but it's wrong...

A very good question. I'll come back to that. Have to do some reading and perhaps mailing first. Warning: answer may be long.

C-Magnier wrote: If you want more details about their trade origin, MP me...

I will shortly.

Post by **Marc van Arc** » 25 Aug 2007, 10:51

Marc van Arc wrote: A very good question. I'll come back to that. Have to do some reading and perhaps mailing first.

As literature is very contradistive and no uniform answer can be given, I've sent a mail to a well known catfish taxonomist with the request if he's able to give an answer to that question. When I get the reply, I'll post it asap.

Which Auchenipterids are being kept by PC members?

Auchenipterids........

Hey, I'm a jaguar keeper as well.......

Jags.......