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And the "Good News Show" continues: the medium tank is also infected. Despite serious medication I have seen at least one victim (T. intermedia) and there will undoubtedly be more.
I feel like Catweazle these days: "Nothing works".

And the "Good News Show" continues: the medium tank is also infected. Despite serious medication I have seen at least one victim (T. intermedia) and there will undoubtedly be more.
I feel like Catweazle these days: "Nothing works".

This sucks Marc. Hoping you get it sorted out soon!

So is it ich or oodinium, or something else?

The photos do look a bit like velvet to me. The two diseases can be quite alike.

this is REALLY bad......

since we decided on protazol as a last line of defence for that tank.
i'll call you right after work; we have to stop this disease!

I know that Neil at Pier uses Interpet general tonic and aquarium salt to get woodcats through the first few days after shipping. They often arrive a bit beaten-up and vulnerable to infection. I imagine its used for all the more delicate fish.
Salt dosage is 1tsp to 5 gallons.
The tonic is designed to repress diseases and fungus, allowing the fish to build its strength.
I now use it for quarantining new fish.
In your place Marc, I would use the above and 90deg plus strong aeration.

but converted to metrics how much is a teaspoon in 5 gallons?

I know this strain of Ichthyophthirius and it's pretty resistant

if a large teasoon can hold 20 grams of salt (a BIG teaspoon) and 5 gallons is something close to 20 liters; you'll end up with about 1 gram per liter
wich isn't enough to kill off this parasite unfortunately

it might be a handy cure to avoid problems in quarantaine, but it's no good for fish already affected by this particular disease.
it's not strong enough.

Thanks for the tip Richard, but I think Alex is right: this is not strong enough for already infected/affected fishes.

I teaspoon is definitely not holdins 20g of salt - that would be a table-spoon, at the very least. 2-3g perhaps, at most. Officially a teaspoon is 5ml, so take your lab-scales and a 5ml measuring scoop, and figure out exactly how many grams it is. [I measured up 6g on a kitchen scale, and it was a pretty decent amount - more than an ordinary teaspoon].

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Mats

I hope you're right with the amount of salt you're using with these particular fish. My understanding is the salt increases the fishes ability to intake oxygen and helps produce their slimy coating - all good.
I've never used protazol before. Googled it... its based on malachite green. Earlier Sid mentioned this strain of ich is resistant to malachite green.
If its oodinium, protazol may not work.

Marc, you might be thinking 'too many cooks in the kitchen'. If we were all in your living room looking at your tank, we might never have agreed on a course of action. And Sid might have ended up thrown in the tank Now THAT would cure it.

"based on" isn't the same as "is the same as".

there are occasdions were protazol worked well, where older medications (including just malachite green) didn't do anything

this disease is NOT oodinium. I said that before, I think.
I know what oodonium looks like and it isn't this.
this disease is white spot.

it's particulary rampant in Germany at the moment; most likely it's a mutation caused by excessive preventive use of meds; I know for example at least 2 stores (one is a wholesaler/importer) that use FMc and similar stuff every day because they are convinced that "the ich is in the tapwater"
i kid you not.

now this kind of behaviour is exactly the same as the indutrial agriculture where all the animals are dosed with antibiotics every single day.
anyone in the netherlands or the UK know where that leads to......
rampant diseases caused by resistant germs.

And Sid might have ended up thrown in the tank Now THAT would cure it.

this isn't funny
we're into some serious issues here, and Marc just losdt a whole tank.
I know that it's all the rage these days to piss down my neck at every oppertinuty, but we -especially I- can do without that, thank you very much.
i've been trying to help Marc with all this as much as I can, so this is pretty uncalled for, to say the least.

to all those who recently made a habit of stomping me in the mud: get off my back. now.

I'm sorry to hear about this Marc.

Sid I suggest you re-read my post. There is no malice. No aggression. No elitist attitude. Humour is not a bad thing on a forum. Rant about that all you like, you can't stop it.

Furthermore, you don't hold back 'dishing it out' do you? So you have to expect to take it.

sidguppy wrote:i've been trying to help Marc with all this as much as I can, so this is pretty uncalled for, to say the least.

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Marc is fortunate to have you nearby to compare notes with.

Another sad woodcatstory

Reading this doesn't make me happy, I'm sorry I don't have a solution Marc, I really wish I had one.

Did you guys consider Metrodinazol against this disease? Since ick is caused by protozoa and this medicine ins't used a lot against this disease there is a chance that Ichthyophthirius isn't resistant yet.

what type of auchenipterid is this fish? it's about 1/3 the way downt he page just past the paraoto's (or otos lol) They are labeled as Tatia musaica, is this correct?

http://aqua-miniequ.mo-blog.jp/v01/cat1 ... index.html

nvcichlids wrote:what type of auchenipterid is this fish? They are labeled as Tatia musaica, is this correct?
http://aqua-miniequ.mo-blog.jp/v01/cat1 ... index.html

Afaik, it's still unsure which species this is. See link.
http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... =7&t=29352

Bijn wrote:Did you guys consider Metrodinazol against this disease? Since ick is caused by protozoa and this medicine ins't used a lot against this disease there is a chance that Ichthyophthirius isn't resistant yet.

Thanks Bijn. I googled for it and found it is used against a human (especially female) genital disease. Definitely not something I would have thought of.

I't also used a lot against Flagellate (also protozoa) infections in Humans, cattle, cats, dogs,... and some used it successfully against flagellate infections in fishes.

Bijn wrote:Another sad woodcatstory

Which was(were) the other(-s)?

I was thinking of the problems Martin had. But that wasn't a sad woodcat-story, it was a sad catfish-story.

nvcichlids wrote:what type of auchenipterid is this fish? it's about 1/3 the way downt he page just past the paraoto's (or otos lol) They are labeled as Tatia musaica, is this correct?

http://aqua-miniequ.mo-blog.jp/v01/cat1 ... index.html

I'm not certain either but I lean towards musaica.

wrasse wrote:Humour is not a bad thing on a forum.

Agreed, absolutely. But in this case I failed to see it.
When I read it I knew Alex was going to react - which he did in a rather polite way imo.
Anyway, you can't expect someone like Alex not to react on what's in his eyes a humiliation. So I hope it was no provocation, for that would have been absolutely unnecessary and unwanted.

wrasse wrote:Furthermore, you don't hold back 'dishing it out' do you? So you have to expect to take it.

That may be true (and I'm sure Alex will confirm), but why here and now? I can't recall Alex dishing out anything inappropriate wrt this malicious disease.

wrasse wrote:

sidguppy wrote:i've been trying to help Marc with all this as much as I can, so this is pretty uncalled for, to say the least.

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Marc is fortunate to have you nearby to compare notes with.

I'm indeed very fortunate to have someone nearby who's willing to share knowledge and lending a few hands. And although I'm also very pleased with all the help offered on PC, I'd rather go for one other cook in the kitchen.
Now let's pls end this and go back on topic.

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I didn't know some brands already have an metro-based cure against ich. Maybe because in a lot of country's it's only available with an prescription.

Thanks again, Bijn. For the time being I'd rather stick to Protazol as things seem to stabilize. There are still some spots, but the fishes are willing to eat and behave much more typical (like hiding again instead of lying in plain view during the day). The only victim so far was an old T. intermedia female. I'm not saying we're there yet, but at least things are not getting worse.

Marc, you should seriously consider sending a dead specimen to a fish pathology lab and get an official diagnosis.

It may really help people in future to know exactly what they are dealing with.

Hi Marc!!

Well glad to read that things seem to turn around...I keep my fingers crossed.

Regarding the link with Tatia musaica, thoses fish were the one Glaser sold under T. sp "ninja". real beauties...wish I had bought some...argh...

Otherwise I was happy to find a little clutch of eggs from my Tatia intermedia, first one I have find since I have them...finally...it was time!!

Cheers
Yann

Yann wrote: Otherwise I was happy to find a little clutch of eggs from my Tatia intermedia, first one I have find since I have them...finally...it was time!!

Congrats on that. Its always nice to find something you hadn't expected to find! I have a trio of some smaller native sunfish that just gave me a spawn (really unexpected as its an unheated tank and it shouldn't be happening this time of year lol...)

racoll wrote:Marc, you should seriously consider sending a dead specimen to a fish pathology lab and get an official diagnosis.
It may really help people in future to know exactly what they are dealing with.

That would have been a good option if I'd thought of that before, but once dead even Auchenipteridae quickly lose their attraction....especially the way these looked.
In other words, I don't have them anymore.
And I sincerely hope there won't be any volunteers shortly.

Yann wrote:Otherwise I was happy to find a little clutch of eggs from my Tatia intermedia, first one I have find since I have them...finally...it was time!!

Yes, pls, some good news! Keep it going people; the thread could do with some positive news on auchenipterids!

Well, in that case: A friend is visiting Zoo Zajac tomorrow and I am about to ask him to look for possible remaining Tatia concolor. A wise idea or not?

kruseman wrote:Well, in that case: A friend is visiting Zoo Zajac tomorrow and I am about to ask him to look for possible remaining Tatia concolor. A wise idea or not?

I was there last week but i didn't find any.But it's chaos over there so i might just missed them....I took instead a group of 6 C.Perugiae from the Discus Championship that where available.
I hope you find the Concolor