The current price of the Blue Eyed Panaque

HaakonH · Post by **HaakonH** » 25 May 2006, 16:20

I just thought I'd share this with you all. The Blue eyed Panaque, Panaque cochliodon, used to be a common species in the trade until the mid 90's. Then it disappeared, this has been discussed many times here so I won't go into detail regarding this. Now a few specimens of 12-15 cm (6") length have reached Germany, and the price is as expected rather high...Expect to pay at least 1000 $ (approx 900 Euro) per fish.

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 25 May 2006, 16:55

While the price doesn't interest me, what does interest me is where they came from...

Jools

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 25 May 2006, 17:04

Yeah, you'd think that they didn't come from the area controlled by drug-traffickers...

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Mats

StiffMeister · Post by **StiffMeister** » 25 May 2006, 17:33

where did you get the info about these new fish?

Mika · Post by **Mika** » 25 May 2006, 17:55

They might be these
http://www.aquariumglaser.de/indexeng.htm

StiffMeister · Post by **StiffMeister** » 25 May 2006, 18:07

sounds good but says nothing about a number or a price

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 25 May 2006, 19:55

Mika wrote:They might be these
http://www.aquariumglaser.de/indexeng.htm

That link just took me to a page with no info., anyone else access it OK?

Jools

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 25 May 2006, 20:03

Works for me.
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Mats

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 25 May 2006, 20:15

MatsP wrote:Works for me.
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Mats

Interesting indeed, the fish pictured appear to have some white in their fins; one of the problems in the description of P. suttonorum being this fish was that point.

Hehehe!

Jools

StiffMeister · Post by **StiffMeister** » 26 May 2006, 17:56

so what are you saying, its not the "real thing"??

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 26 May 2006, 18:16

StiffMeister wrote:so what are you saying, its not the "real thing"??

No, exactly the opposite I think?!?!? What do you mean by the real thing?

Jools

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 26 May 2006, 18:25

I think Stiffmeister was trying to ask if you believed it to be a P. suttonorum or something else... But one raging debate a while back was whether the "old" Panaque suttonorum/suttoni was actually P. suttonorum or P. cochliodon or something else. Shane quoted the original description of the two possible species, and one of the details in P. suttonorum was white fins, IIRC - I'll see if I can find the thread and link it here. Expect me to edit this post...

'ere i' is (copying my sons way to say it):
http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... suttonorum

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Zebrapl3co · Post by **Zebrapl3co** » 26 May 2006, 19:00

Ooooo

I hope all that white in the fins aren't from the flash in the camera, because it seems to match the descriptions of the uber elusive P. suttonorum.
I've seen a real P. cochliodon before. But I have never even seen a picture of the elusive P. suttonorum.
Although I have to admit that is does look very much like the P. cochliodon I've seem.

StiffMeister · Post by **StiffMeister** » 26 May 2006, 19:01

Jools wrote:
StiffMeister wrote:so what are you saying, its not the "real thing"??
No, exactly the opposite I think?!?!? What do you mean by the real thing?

Jools

i didnt quite understand what you meant but i meant if they were cochliodon or suttonorum. appears suttonorum indeed. very cool

Post by **Shane** » 26 May 2006, 19:04

I too get a non-working webpage with the Glaser logo. I have tried the link six times over two days...
-Shane

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 26 May 2006, 19:11

Shane, I've just posted a screenshot from Glaser to your pc e-mail.

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Mats

Zebrapl3co · Post by **Zebrapl3co** » 26 May 2006, 19:14

Shane wrote:I too get a non-working webpage with the Glaser logo. I have tried the link six times over two days...
-Shane

It's something about the scripts that prevents you from hot linking directly to the english site.
Try this:
http://www.aquariumglaser.de/
click "enter"
and then the english flag and it will work correctly.
Or better yet, here's the picture they're talking about:

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 26 May 2006, 19:22

Shane wrote:I too get a non-working webpage with the Glaser logo. I have tried the link six times over two days...
-Shane

Yeah, it's an internet explorer plug in issue. Anyway, here it is from the Glaser site, as it is linked from this post, I hope they don't mind.

Jools

Cattleya · Post by **Cattleya** » 26 May 2006, 19:41

http://www.aquarium-glaser.de/maxtools/ ... 23ef08.jpg

After years when no Panaque cochliodon (Panaque suttoni, P. suttonorum) were imported, now again few individuals reach us. Whether environmental problems or the civil war in parts of Colombia are responsible for their non appearence, can not be judged from a distance. We are glad to see this in former times not rare species again. Their bright blue eyes on black body are singular and make up the special attraction of this species. To secure their tank existence breeding attempts would be interesting. However, even in former years, when they were not so rare no guaranteed breeding reports are known. Wood eater of this size (> 40cm) need large aquariums with very high performance filtering units, since substantial excrement quantities are produced. The vegetable part of the food should be high, cucumbers, potatoes, carrots and other vegetables are gladly eaten.

by the way , some young cochliodon arrive switzerland to
lg Udo

StiffMeister · Post by **StiffMeister** » 26 May 2006, 19:46

so could it be that the area is open again and the fish will be imported more and more?

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 26 May 2006, 19:56

StiffMeister wrote:so could it be that the area is open again and the fish will be imported more and more?

It's a possibility, but I'd put my money on this being a new / uncollected population. Which is even better news.

Jools

Post by **Shane** » 26 May 2006, 20:10

I know several Bogota exporters that have been offering collectors big money for years to bring some up to Bogota. Either one of them finally convinced someone to do it, found another area where the locals had not been collecting, or said, "What the heck" and just drove down and either caught some or paid some locals (non-professional) collectors to get some.
-Shane

HaakonH · Post by **HaakonH** » 26 May 2006, 22:56

Glaser's list states "only one piece".

coelacanth · Post by **coelacanth** » 28 May 2006, 11:38

We have a small group of Blue-eyes, and one thing that strikes both my colleague and myself is that this fish is noticeably different in appearance to our specimens. It's already been suggested on another forum that this might be due to age or size, but I don't think so.
It's hard to pinpoint exactly (in birding terms the "jizz" is different"), but in the fish pictured the head is rounder (our Blue-eyes, and all I can remember when they were available have a more angular appearance), the back appears higher (which could be just an individual characteristic of this fish), the predorsal area looks different, the body looks relatively shorter and the tail shape is unlike our specimens.
The scutes from the insertion of the pelvic fin forwards look narrower, and our fish are a "velvety" black even when using flash.

pureplecs · Post by **pureplecs** » 28 May 2006, 14:49

Post by **Shane** » 28 May 2006, 14:51

It's hard to pinpoint exactly (in birding terms the "jizz" is different...

I think it is impossible to say that the pictured fish is "different" from anything else. There is only one photo at one angle and lighting, photo manipulation programs, etc could explain many of the differences. Also, since it is "one piece", the thing probably has been living in someone's tank in Colombia (or even Germany) for the last 10 years. I doubt it was recently collected. Nobody collects one piece unless it is bycatch and, unfortunately, only a few of the feeder streams of the Magdalena are regularly collected.
-Shane