Black Spotted Ancistrus... But what one??

smithrc · Post by **smithrc** » 05 Mar 2006, 00:08

Hi all - just seen the L182 entry has been updated... meaning my ID of these as L182's has been blown out of the water...

They are about 5" and They are breeding so they have got to be pretty mature.

Anyone got any ideas. (as they are breeding I want to be able to tell people what they are when I'm selling them

They are really dark now I've got them on a darker substrate - they look mottled in the last 3 pictures due to the light sand bottom.

davidkozak · Post by **davidkozak** » 05 Mar 2006, 08:28

Hoplogenys??

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 05 Mar 2006, 20:42

Hi!

possibly L100, L213 or one of those Ancistrus sp "Rio Jari" (L344 for exemple!!)

Cheers
Yann

smithrc · Post by **smithrc** » 05 Mar 2006, 22:45

I'd been down the L100 and L180 route but never found any good ID descriptions...

I'll see what i can find on the others ;)

smithrc · Post by **smithrc** » 08 Mar 2006, 19:08

Hi folks...

I had a look at the latest offering from Aqualog today and these look like the new pictures that they have added for L183's

happy I've got L183 - but dissapointed that they dont have teh promanante bands on their fins...

Her are a couple more of the male - the females have been hiding since i mentioned getting pictures

Post by **Janne** » 08 Mar 2006, 20:40

When L183 A dolichopterus gets older and reach a size around 10 cm they loose a big part of the white seams in their fins but they also loose the brightness of the white spots, I dont agree that your fishes are L183...I have no better idea then Yann.

Janne

smithrc · Post by **smithrc** » 08 Mar 2006, 20:43

have you seen the new Aqualog pictures?

Post by **Janne** » 08 Mar 2006, 20:52

no, but I dont trust the aqualog and I have a lots of L183 by my self

Janne

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 08 Mar 2006, 21:24

Hi!

No dolichopterus for sure

I found them to be quite similar with those Rio Jari species!!

Cheers
Yann

smithrc · Post by **smithrc** » 08 Mar 2006, 21:51

Janne wrote:no, but I dont trust the aqualog and I have a lots of L183 by my self

Janne

not just me that often doubts it then

...

Have you got any pictures? I been told when that the bands fade as the mature... Wasnt sure about the extent of the fadeing eg just to the white tips that these have....

Fish Soup · Post by **Fish Soup** » 09 Mar 2006, 01:21

I was cleaning up tonight and snapped a few pics of my mature trio of L183s. Not Cat-eLog quality, but in the first and third you can see the fin edges. Most of the white coloring is gone.

Don

smithrc · Post by **smithrc** » 09 Mar 2006, 19:08

Thats looking like ours to me...

What can i expect from the fry?
At what sort of size will the bands be showing?

smithrc · Post by **smithrc** » 11 Mar 2006, 13:43

I've been looking at the fry and they are starting to develop white bands

the oldest are about 8 weeks now... here are a couple of piccys...

Post by **Janne** » 11 Mar 2006, 22:13

I hope you dont think that your species is L183 because it's not, the fry of L183 shows clearly white seams directly after the yolksac are consumed.
I still agree with Yann that you have one of that species he propose.

Janne

smithrc · Post by **smithrc** » 11 Mar 2006, 23:44

Janne wrote:I hope you dont think that your species is L183 because it's not, the fry of L183 shows clearly white seams directly after the yolksac are consumed.
I still agree with Yann that you have one of that species he propose.

Janne

Fair enough - I think I'm trying to convince myself

I was sure they looked like the fry pictures on the cat-elog..

Snowy · Post by **Snowy** » 29 Sep 2006, 15:36

Hi ppl I am not sure of the L- # but here in Australia we call these little beasties "peppermint ancistrus". I am gud friends with a breeder of these little critters and i own 20 or so my self.

Hope this helps some

husky_jim · Post by **husky_jim** » 03 Oct 2006, 22:24

Hi guys.
Here is a link to an article i wrote about breeding Ancistrus Dolichopterus in Aquazone (biggest aquatic portal in Greece).Unfortunately it's in Greek Language but if you like, i can translate it.
I believe that you will fing the pics very helpfull and i have also to mention that my 10cm+ breeders are starting to loose their prominent white bands but the fry produced have very clear and thick white bands on them and this you can see it on the pics on the link.

http://www.aquazone.gr/forums/index.php?showtopic=3630

I hope you like....even it's greek

smithrc · Post by **smithrc** » 03 Oct 2006, 23:03

Just as an update
Mine never developed bands... just white tips.

husky_jim · Post by **husky_jim** » 03 Oct 2006, 23:12

I just found that you have to be registered in order to see the article so here is a pic of 2 month-old juveniles...

husky_jim · Post by **husky_jim** » 03 Oct 2006, 23:13

Here 2 and a half week old:

amalteaser · Post by **amalteaser** » 16 Jan 2007, 00:21

smithrc your plecs look just like my L213 stardust plec are you sure there are L182s or L183?

Post by **Borbi** » 16 Jan 2007, 08:31

Hello everybody,

I wanna add another Number to the Lottery..

My best guess is L181. Based on the following:

I exclude L182, because this species has a very flat profile that I cannot see in the pictures. Additionally, L182 shows more like red or orange spots than truly white spots in the fins and is not black, but brownish.

I doubt these are L183, but to be shure you should count the number of soft rays in the dorsal fin. The reason for that is, that A. Dolichopterus is the only Ancistrus species known that has 8-10 soft rays (mostly 9), while all others have 7-8 (mostly 7) soft rays. Well, if you count 8, you´re lost, of course..

Colour is not a good Identification tool, as some others pointed out, since some of the A. Dolichopterus keep their white bands, while others lose the white seams completely.

So, the only other black/white spotted Ancistrus-species I am aware of is L181, which is also known by two other L-Numbers which I don´t recall at the moment..

On to the next round, your turn,

greetings, Sandor

diburning · Post by **diburning** » 18 Jan 2007, 05:57

Maybe LDA33?

Post by **Borbi** » 18 Jan 2007, 07:50

Hi,

Maybe LDA33?

Probably not, since LDA33 is a Baryancistrus sp. but this is definitely an Ancistrus. ;)

Cheers, Sandor

Black Spotted Ancistrus... But what one??

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