Successful breeding of L 128 in Berlin-Zoo

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 27 Feb 2006, 19:09

Hi,
seemingly another "not yet in captivity spawned" species (?) has been bred:

Location:
5.500 liter "Rio Negro" tank in the Berlin-Zoo.

The pics are of poor quality - taken with a handy-cam (from user "Lustigeswesen").
Hopefully better pics and more information will follow soon.

More:
http://l-welse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10615

FuglyDragon · Post by **FuglyDragon** » 28 Feb 2006, 02:44

I recently purchased 2x L128 from my LFS here in New Zealand, the LFS owner was told they had been captive bred in Germany (along with the L260, chocholate zebras, and gold nuggets that came into the country with them).

They were much larger than is usual for imports and I have found them to be much tamer, they dont seem to find me moving around in front of the tank a problem at all, when i am doing tank maintenance they both just sit out in plain view and watch while everything else in the tank flees into their repsective caves.

Not proof they are captive bred, but perhaps suggestive of it.

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 28 Feb 2006, 09:09

Hi,
I canÂ´t imagine, that your fish are really captive bred.
Cause - somebody of the big German fish im/exporters (Ingo Seidel/Aquaglobal, AndrÃ© Werner/Transfish, Frank SchÃ¤fer/Aquarium Glaser, Jens Gottwald/Aquatarium, etc.) probably would have known about a successful breeding, but nobody told about success with L 128.

And large plecos also need plenty of time to get large...

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 28 Feb 2006, 12:38

Yes and no, L200 was bred in Scandanavia months before those that you cite above knew. There are other examples that we know of also in the Corydoras world too - not everything goes though Germany although they do tend to lead the way.

However, the general point is sound and I don't think they're captive bred.

What happened in the zoo - do we know yet - what size were the parents?

Jools

PS Funny to see l-welse.com use the "hosted by" text in english on their images.

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 28 Feb 2006, 15:05

Well,
meanwhile the successful breeding in Zoo Berlin has been attested by the Zoo personal and by Ingo Seidel.
The offspring looks very similar to the Hemiancistrus subviridis (L 200 "Low") fry Robert Budrovcan had already some time ago.
News will follow.

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 28 Feb 2006, 15:13

Jools wrote:Yes and no, L200 was bred in Scandanavia months before those that you cite above knew. There are other examples that we know of also in the Corydoras world too - not everything goes though Germany although they do tend to lead the way.

OK - but the L 128 should have been bred in Germany, because they have been sold by a German exporter???
And "large animals" - so the fish should have at least two or three years of age (or more).

PS Funny to see l-welse.com use the "hosted by" text in english on their images.

Well,
user "Lustigeswesen" does not want his name to be published in internet - (C) Lustigeswesen sounds rediculous to me - (c) L-Welse.com is not correct (we had discussions about this months ago) and thereÂ´s no good german translation for "hosted by..." - so we stole your idea and I made a "hosted by L-Welse.com" on the pics - better than "empty" pics copied everywhere...

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 28 Feb 2006, 16:22

Just as an explanation:
Lustigeswesen means funny being/entity

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 28 Feb 2006, 22:00

Walter!

How big are the parents??
Any idea of the water parameters and set up beside the tank being Rio Negro like!!
Cheers
Yann

coelacanth · Post by **coelacanth** » 01 Mar 2006, 10:42

That rockwork looks strangely limestone-ish for a Rio Negro display....

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 01 Mar 2006, 11:49

Hi!

The parents were estimated by a member of L-welse.com (the one who took the pics) at 12-14cm!!

Cheers
Yann

laurab5 · Post by **laurab5** » 01 Mar 2006, 13:34

I am curious about this. I have seen 2 inch gold nuggets and 1 inch L114. Are these captive bred, does anyone know.

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 01 Mar 2006, 13:44

I'd very much doubt that small gold nuggets are captive bred. It's possible to catch small fish where the bigger ones live, so that's more likely what happens.

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Mats

Post by **Barbie** » 01 Mar 2006, 15:08

Hmmm, so that would mean that mine were more than large enough. Guess I should try to brush up on my german and see if a 125 gallon could possibly work ;).

Barbie

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 01 Mar 2006, 16:35

You donÂ´t have to brush up your German for this.
On thursday there will probably be new information and new (better) pics.
We can post here.

Post by **Barbie** » 01 Mar 2006, 16:49

Phew! There's a relief! I tried to read the altavista translation and gave myself a brain ache already this morning! It really does make me think I should be actively pushing them to do something, not just feeding them up and waiting ;).

Barbie

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 01 Mar 2006, 18:25

Hi!

Yeap those L114 and "Gold nugget" are likely to be wild but both have been spawn in the past...

Cheers
Yann

Dave Rinaldo · Post by **Dave Rinaldo** » 02 Mar 2006, 23:22

I could be wrong with an L-128 ID.

I picked this up about a month ago.

It's 5cm TL

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 03 Mar 2006, 00:35

Hi,
new pics:

More new pics

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 03 Mar 2006, 01:43

Here basic data:

T: 27Â° C
Water hardness: < 4Â° dGH (German unit - thatÂ´s about 5Â° e English hardness, ~ 150 ÂµS/cm conductifity)
7,5 pH
O2 supply
CO2 fertilisation
UVC
No current

Feeding:
fruit, vegetables, artifical food (flakes, pills), chironomus larvae

Parents (2 m, 1 f) live in this tank for about 3 - 5 months, these rocks from Yogoslavia are in use since 1988.

The fry is about 6 - 8 weeks of age, of different length and of varying coloration or pattern.

davidkozak · Post by **davidkozak** » 03 Mar 2006, 06:51

That's awesome...thanks for posting all the info...give's me hope that I might spawn mine eventually ;) David

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 03 Mar 2006, 16:44

Walter,

Would you mind if I copied your data into the cat-elog page with an explanatory note?

Jools

Walter · Post by **Walter** » 03 Mar 2006, 19:44

Hi,
no problem - why should I mind?

BTW: not "my" data - the data are from user "Lustigeswesen", who asked the staff from Berlin-Zoo (and he doesnÂ´t mind, either).

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 03 Mar 2006, 20:11

Your translation however and it's always polite to ask...

Cheers,

Jools

Fraf · Post by **Fraf** » 09 Mar 2008, 00:05

Someone could tell me how they manage to have pH 7.5 with dGh<4 and CO2 fertilizing?

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