Broken links!?!?

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 20 Nov 2005, 17:20

OK, I've been putting this off for years but the cat-elog alone is now 10,000 files and growing. I need to rationalise a few things.

So, there will likely be broken links galore as I change things around. You'll notice that most generated pages will change to uppercase. This will allow me to greatly reduce the time taken to upload a new version of the catelog.

In the meantime, stick any issues along these lines in this post and I will look at the pronto. Should only take a few days of hassle.

Google will go nuts mind you.

Jools

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 22 Nov 2005, 11:03

I think an (un-)expected side-effect of this is that any OLD [1] reference to a Cat-eLog page is now broken - maybe there should be some sort of filter to translate old (lowercase) references to the new (uppercase) versions?

[1] Only when the page in the cat-elog is the URL of the page, I believe, whilst

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[clog]<something>[/clog]

would still work. Unfortunately, a lot of posts are written with URL references rather than with clog tags.

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Mats

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 22 Nov 2005, 11:20

I'd do that if it wasn't for the fact that the links will change again in the future.

190_F.PHP(thumbs & data page) will become synodontis_angelicus.php and
190_1.PHP(full image 1) will become synodontis_angelicus1.php

That's not taking into account anything that might happen even after that with clog2.

Bottom line is that the reason the clog function is there is to avoid this.

Jools

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 22 Nov 2005, 18:00

I'm not sure if this is due to the changes you're making right now, but I guess if I started a new topic with the same subject it might be just as confusing - in the Book Review section, on Kathy Jinkings Bristlenose book, the link the CotM article leads to "nowhere".

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Mats

quatermass · Post by **quatermass** » 22 Nov 2005, 18:18

Jools wrote:OK, I've been putting this off for years but the cat-elog alone is now 10,000 files and growing. I need to rationalise a few things.

So, there will likely be broken links galore as I change things around. You'll notice that most generated pages will change to uppercase. This will allow me to greatly reduce the time taken to upload a new version of the catelog.

In the meantime, stick any issues along these lines in this post and I will look at the pronto. Should only take a few days of hassle.

Google will go nuts mind you.

Jools

Hi,
I'm new (very new) and I've noticed that bit on the Web page that says

'Want to link to this page? Use this URL' on page:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/ca ... /293_F.PHP

points to a page which doesn't exist.
ie:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/scripts/cl ... +schwartzi

In the light of what you've said above. Is this a known broken feature?

BTW, is there much point in placing a right-click pop-up warning about the viewing of copyright restrictions when this ability can be switched off in FireFox web browsers and anyone with a brain can get access to the image or data and if they're that way inclined copy it anyway?
These jpegs don't even contain any copyright warning in the jpeg's comment, EXIF or IPTC fields in any case.

Is one allowed to submit their own images of catfish which would be in the public domain? I've got some of my own.

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 23 Nov 2005, 11:07

I was just going to report the same bug as quatermass...

As to the submitting pictures, if you mail your pictures to Jools (webmaster at planetcatfish dot com), I'm sure he'll be happy to put them up, particularly if they are of fish that only have few pictures on them just now [or if they show something NEW, I suppose].

I beleive Jools is not able to separate pictures that are "publicly available" and "not available". If you want pictures to be available for downloading, I would suggest that you put them on a web-site that you have access to. I think Jools will be happy to put your web-site as a link below the image, where the credit for the picture goes.

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Mats

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 23 Nov 2005, 12:31

quatermass wrote:'Want to link to this page? Use this URL' on page:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/ca ... /293_F.PHP

points to a page which doesn't exist. In the light of what you've said above. Is this a known broken feature?

It is now! I've fixed this link now and added the

quatermass wrote:
BTW, is there much point in placing a right-click pop-up warning about the viewing of copyright restrictions when this ability can be switched off in FireFox web browsers and anyone with a brain can get access to the image or data and if they're that way inclined copy it anyway?

quatermass wrote:
These jpegs don't even contain any copyright warning in the jpeg's comment, EXIF or IPTC fields in any case.

quatermass wrote:
Is one allowed to submit their own images of catfish which would be in the public domain? I've got some of my own.

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 23 Nov 2005, 12:40

Whilst on the subject of protecting pictures - EXIF information is easier to remove than text in the picture - Just load it into Photoshop and use the "Save for Web" [or whatever it's called]. This automatically removes the EXIF information. If you're familiar with Photoshop, you could even record an action that does this for a whole directory of images, if that's what you want. Removing text on the picture, unless you can crop the text out, is definitely more difficult.

I think what Jools is saying is that most people who steal images are doing so because they are UNAWARE of the photographers rights, rather than actually intentionally breaking copyright laws.

Of course, this is a complete tangent away from the original subject. I'll stop right now...

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Mats

Post by **Silurus** » 23 Nov 2005, 12:52

Not exactly a broken link.

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/collecti/2.PHP

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 23 Nov 2005, 13:34

Silurus wrote:Not exactly a broken link.

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/collecti/2.PHP

Aye, but it's precisely the kind of thing resultant from the change. I'll get it fixed now.

Cheers,

Jools

Post by **Silurus** » 23 Nov 2005, 13:37

You might want to check the rest of the series. They're all like that.

Post by **Silurus** » 23 Nov 2005, 15:05

The links to these pages from the home page also need to be updated.

quatermass · Post by **quatermass** » 23 Nov 2005, 15:53

Jools wrote: It is now! I've fixed this link now and added the
link feature Mats was talking about elsewhere. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, that's what this topic is all about.

Mats has answered that as I wrote this but you're more than welcome. I recognise that triops website, I think I'm a member of the mailing list.

Jools

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 23 Nov 2005, 16:45

Silurus wrote:The links to these pages from the home page also need to be updated.

Done.

Jools

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 23 Nov 2005, 16:47

quatermass wrote:You have an amazingly well documented beautiful web site.

And you're just down the road from me too. Spooky!

Thanks, it's the testament to many people efforts. Yeah, for those others following this thread, we're about 10 minutes drive apart (although I'm typing this in Glasgow).

Jools

Post by **Rusty** » 24 Nov 2005, 15:04

Jools wrote:
quatermass wrote:BTW, is there much point in placing a right-click pop-up warning about the viewing of copyright restrictions when this ability can be switched off in FireFox web browsers and anyone with a brain can get access to the image or data and if they're that way inclined copy it anyway?
The right click restriction is in place becuase the majority of people who rip off our pictures for their own websites have less than half a brain. As to Firefox users (and I am one), although this number is slowly rising, they still account for less than 16% of our visitors (measured by all visits across last week).

A method of doing this that doesn't require javascript and works across all browsers is to have the actual image be the background of a table cell, and put a tiled transparent gif in as the foreground for that cell. Anyone right clicking on the image would save the gif. However, the actual image could still be gotten at by examining the source of the page.

Rusty

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 24 Nov 2005, 15:25

Rusty wrote:
Jools wrote:
quatermass wrote:BTW, is there much point in placing a right-click pop-up warning about the viewing of copyright restrictions when this ability can be switched off in FireFox web browsers and anyone with a brain can get access to the image or data and if they're that way inclined copy it anyway?
The right click restriction is in place becuase the majority of people who rip off our pictures for their own websites have less than half a brain. As to Firefox users (and I am one), although this number is slowly rising, they still account for less than 16% of our visitors (measured by all visits across last week).
A method of doing this that doesn't require javascript and works across all browsers is to have the actual image be the background of a table cell, and put a tiled transparent gif in as the foreground for that cell. Anyone right clicking on the image would save the gif. However, the actual image could still be gotten at by examining the source of the page.

Rusty

I'd like to do this but, AFAIK, this is impossible to code if you don't have the X&Y co-ordinates of the image? I'm also pretty sure it means some browsers won't print the image either and it may have an effect on PDFing the page too.

Nothing I've found precludes the use of the prnt scrn button either.

Jools

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 24 Nov 2005, 15:41

going back to the original subject: Genus Thumbnails in the cat-elog page works fine, but if you click on a genus it tries to open g_<number>.PHP, and it should be G_<number>.PHP to work fine [if I manually change lower-case g to upper case g, it works fine].

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Mats

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 24 Nov 2005, 16:11

MatsP wrote:going back to the original subject: Genus Thumbnails in the cat-elog page works fine, but if you click on a genus it tries to open g_<number>.PHP, and it should be G_<number>.PHP to work fine [if I manually change lower-case g to upper case g, it works fine].

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Mats

OK, that's easily fixed. New version will be online in half an hour or so. Thanks,

Jools

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 25 Nov 2005, 12:14

I tried the "rename .php to .txt" on a specie, and it came up with "page not found". I tried both .txt and .TXT with the same result.

I was actually going to fill in some info from Fishbase on the "not much info" fish that I was looking at.

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Mats

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 25 Nov 2005, 12:23

Ah, I though I said elsewhere that I had canned that idea but it is replaced by XML!

See http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/xm ... ies.id.XML HOWEVER, there seems to be some problem rendering it.

Jools

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 25 Nov 2005, 12:43

Sorry, I must have missed that post. So how do I go from:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/lo ... i/75_F.PHP to the XML form?

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mats

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 25 Nov 2005, 14:38

You manually change the URL to

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/xml/75.XML

Jools
BTW, I just noticed the XML isn't rendering - I'll fix that now.

Post by **Silurus** » 27 Nov 2005, 20:43

The recent addition links are not correct.

Using 24 November s an example,

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/up ... P#24112005

on the home page should be

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/up ... p#24112005

Post by **Silurus** » 28 Nov 2005, 02:51

New version will be online in half an hour or so.

The links to "Show thumbnails of all species of..." on each Cat-eLog entry is still not correct.

Using Acrochordonichthys as an example, the link gives

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/akysidae/g_246.PHP

when it should be

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/akysidae/G_246.PHP

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 28 Nov 2005, 14:09

On the subject of Silurus previous post about Genus Thumbnails - may I suggest a BB-code extension similar to the clog-tag, such that we could like a genus instead of a particular specie...

I'm not sure how the tag would look, perhaps

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[cgenus]Pecoltia[/cgenus] would work. Other ideas welcome. 

This would help generate translatable genus links, so that we don't loose the link to these when the Cat-eLog is transformed next time around. 

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Mats

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 28 Nov 2005, 14:10

Silurus wrote:The recent addition links are not correct.

Using 24 November s an example,

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/up ... P#24112005

on the home page should be

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/up ... p#24112005

Fixed this one.

Jools

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 28 Nov 2005, 14:12

Silurus wrote:
New version will be online in half an hour or so.
The links to "Show thumbnails of all species of..." on each Cat-eLog entry is still not correct.

Darn, what I had fixed was the genus link near the top of the page / family name. I forgot there was one lower down, I'm fixing that now - will be online today.

Thanks for this feedback!

Jools

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 29 Nov 2005, 18:29

If you click on the "All <specie> lnos" in the Cat-eLog, the page doesn't exist. for example: http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/lo ... p/lnos.PHP

It should be:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/lo ... p/LNOS.PHP

My guess is that this is easy to fix.

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Mats

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 29 Nov 2005, 21:36

MatsP wrote:If you click on the "All <specie> lnos" in the Cat-eLog, the page doesn't exist. for example: http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/lo ... p/lnos.PHP

It should be:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/lo ... p/LNOS.PHP

My guess is that this is easy to fix.

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Mats

Fixed!

Jools

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