Ancistrus sp "Borburata"

JoseAngelBarro · Post by **JoseAngelBarro** » 06 Oct 2005, 02:59

Let see this nice fish

Hi

Post by **Shane** » 06 Oct 2005, 03:18

Jase Agel,
Fantastico! This is likely either A. gymnorhynchus Kner, 1854 or A. rothschildi (Regan, 1905). Any chance somebody here has access to the original descriptions? In the only paper I have (Schultz, 1944) he placed A. rothschildi as a junior synonym of A. gymnorhynchus without comment. His only description of was "dark spot at the base of the first interradial membrane in dorsal" and it applied to both spp. apparently.
-Shane

Post by **Silurus** » 06 Oct 2005, 03:54

I will look to see if I can find the original descriptions. How bad do you want them? I suspect they may not be of much help (especially Regan).

Post by **Shane** » 06 Oct 2005, 04:09

HH,
I have always wanted them, but only to see if there are any identifiers I could use. If there are not they would be of no use to me.
-Shane

Pidge · Post by **Pidge** » 06 Oct 2005, 07:54

Great pictures. Didn't he mind being held out of the water like that?

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 06 Oct 2005, 10:57

Pidge wrote:Great pictures. Didn't he mind being held out of the water like that?

My experience, from just having moved my tank and the fish in it, says that once they are out of water, they don't generally move around much, just lock their fins and odontodes out as wide as possible and stay still.

--
Mats

bronzefry · Post by **bronzefry** » 06 Oct 2005, 14:23

Great catch and great pictures, Jose!

Amanda

Post by **Silurus** » 06 Oct 2005, 16:18

Shane,

If you (or anyone else interested) have access to the ACSI literature database, you can find the original description of Ancistrus gymnorhynchus (it's in the "Hypostomiden" paper by Kner), which I scanned and put up. I'm still working on Regan.

Post by **Silurus** » 06 Oct 2005, 16:25

It turns out the my library is missing the volume of Novitates Zoologicae (they have everything else) that contains Regan's description. Sorry.

Post by **Shane** » 06 Oct 2005, 16:26

I have access HH and will take a look today. It is a great feature, but I wish it was searchable.
-Shane

JoseAngelBarro · Post by **JoseAngelBarro** » 06 Oct 2005, 18:32

Hi all; yes is a nice Fish

This fish i will send at Instituto de zoologia de la Universidad Central; al Profesor Provenzano.

Hi

L-14 · Post by **L-14** » 06 Oct 2005, 18:42

Is it just me or the tail is actually pink? Never see Ancistrus with pink tail

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YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 06 Oct 2005, 20:00

Is "Borburata" a river or place?

Jools

Owch · Post by **Owch** » 06 Oct 2005, 20:21

Where can I get a pair of these in the UK?

They look amazing, Id like to see what they look like under water.

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 06 Oct 2005, 20:23

Owch wrote:Where can I get a pair of these in the UK?

Buy a plane ticket and a big net.

Jools

L-14 · Post by **L-14** » 06 Oct 2005, 20:43

Can you bring live fishes back from Venezuela? I thought taking fishes out is prohibited there?

Post by **Shane** » 06 Oct 2005, 20:58

Is "Borburata" a river or place?

Both. The village of Borburata is on the banks of the Rio Borburata. It is a coastal (Caribe) drainage near Puerto Cabello. As the crow flys, about 45 km NE of Norbert's place in Bejuma on the other side of the Serrania De La Costa. An awesome expedition would be to explore from the Rio Urama all the way down (east) the coast to Puerto La Cruz. There are more than 50 coastal rivers along the Venezuelan north coast that are completely separate ecosystems. Each river is less than 30 km long (some are less than 15 km) and has been cut off from all other rivers since the rise of the Andes. I collected the Borbuta once, but believe I was too far downstream as I only came across brackish spp. like gobies and mugilids. There are several other Ancistrus spp. nearby. There is one found in Bejuma in the Rio Aguirre that Norbert keeps. I never took a photo of this sp. (doh!), Ancistrus sp. "Chirgua" from the Rio Chirgua, A. brevifilis from the Valencia drainages and the sp. found in the upper Urama near Canoabo (another that I never photographed!). It would be a long day, but it would be possible to collect all four spp. in a day as the furthest distance we are talking about is less than 45 km. All four spp. can be found in that radius. Not to mention about 7-8 Chaetostoma spp. in the same rivers.
-Shane

Post by **Shane** » 06 Oct 2005, 21:00

Can you bring live fishes back from Venezuela? I thought taking fishes out is prohibited there?

The short answer is that you can not.
-Shane

JoseAngelBarro · Post by **JoseAngelBarro** » 06 Oct 2005, 21:16

Shane reply all and very good

Only No is Puerto La Cruz is Puerto Cabello.

I see in this River Borburata, in the Town Borburata

Al least four Ancistrus sp and One Chaestostoma sp. Only captured this.

In my next visit i take a picture are another too.

Hi

Owch · Post by **Owch** » 06 Oct 2005, 21:37

Thats a shame, Id really like a group of those.

Post by **Shane** » 07 Oct 2005, 01:50

Only No is Puerto La Cruz is Puerto Cabello.

Jose Angel,
Lea mi respuesta otra vez. Estuve diciendo que me gustaria hacer una expedicion para esrtudiar los rios de la costa de Venezuela entre el Rio Urama y Puerto La Cruz como los rios Moron, Sanchon, Goaigoaza, San Esteban, Borburata, San Miguel, etc. Porque puede ser que cada rio costeno entre el Urama y Puerto La Cruz tiene sus propios especies de corroncho.
-Shane

JoseAngelBarro · Post by **JoseAngelBarro** » 07 Oct 2005, 01:53

Shane y la entendi asi pero no es Puerto La Cruz es Puerto Cabello; Puerto La Cruz es en el estado Anzoategui y Puerto Cabello en Carabobo.

Todos los rios que mencionas estan en la costa central y son cercanos a Puerto Cabello.

Hi

Post by **Shane** » 07 Oct 2005, 02:05

Jose Angel,
No me entendiste otra vez. Yo se que los rios nombrados estan circa de Puerto Cabello, pero estuve diciendo que me gustaria explorar todos los rios de la costa entre Puerto Cabello y Puerto La Cruz. Aqui hay un mapa de Borburata.
-Shane

JoseAngelBarro · Post by **JoseAngelBarro** » 07 Oct 2005, 02:07

Es que no queria entenderte

es que son MUCHISIMOS entre Puerto Cabello y Puerto La Cruz por eso pensaba que estabas confundido pero ya veo que no

.

Post by **Shane** » 07 Oct 2005, 02:11

Si hay muchos, pero me parece que una persona pueda explorar casi todos en menos de un ano. Obviamente con la excepcion del Tuy (que es su propia ecosystema).
-Shane

JoseAngelBarro · Post by **JoseAngelBarro** » 07 Oct 2005, 02:13

Totalmente de acuerdo, Y seguramente muchas sorpresas bellas se encontrarÃ¡ quien lo haga

L-14 · Post by **L-14** » 07 Oct 2005, 18:51

Is it also impossible to take live fish from Mexico back to home country?

Post by **Shane** » 07 Oct 2005, 19:04

From Mexico there is no problem, except there are not a lot of Mexican fishes that people are after.
-Shane

JoseAngelBarro · Post by **JoseAngelBarro** » 07 Oct 2005, 19:58

Hi

JoseAngelBarro · Post by **JoseAngelBarro** » 07 Oct 2005, 20:08

Enjoy these pictures

Y ahora disfruten del paisaje

Hi