The Strangest Place You've Found Fry?

bronzefry · Post by **bronzefry** » 01 Oct 2005, 15:42

I was cleaning a tank on a lower rack a few days ago. I looked over at the 29 gallon tank next door. It has a Filstar 2 canister filter on the lower portion of the rack. The Filstar canisters are a "smoky" color. Sort of dark gray. I thought I saw something moving. Lo and behold, there were a bunch of Corydora fry in there!

I shut off the filter, detached the hosing, opened it up and scooped them out. The SIX of them are residing in the 29 gallon tank with six Trilineatus. I luckily have a few spare 10 gallon tanks I can set up for them. What a shocker for me! I think when I moved plant cuttings from the 75 gallon tank, I wasn't as vigorous as I should have been about cleaning the plants. I should have looked more carefully for Paleatus eggs.

Where's the strangest place you've found fry?

Post by **Shane** » 01 Oct 2005, 17:13

Amanda,
Sort of a bit different... I moved some Java moss to a 10 gallon spawning tank to spawn the Caracas killie (Rivulus bondi). After a few days I removed the killie adults and watched the spawning tank. Presto! Fry showed up a few days later. Now imagine my surprise a week later when I realized there were killie, diamond tetra, and Corydoras venezuelanus fry all in the spawning tank. Unknown to me, the diamond tetras and corys had been spawning in the moss in the display tank.
-Shane

WhitePine · Post by **WhitePine** » 01 Oct 2005, 19:45

I had a similar experience to Shane. I moved some Congo tetra temporarily from one of my river tank to another river tank housing zebra's and whiptails. After I moved them out.. A few weeks later, I noted small fry... which turned out to be the Congo tetras.

I also have cherry shrimp in all my canister filter...the babies get sucked up and live out an existence on the mulm that collects in there. I have gotten a few bigger shrimp out of the canisters that were really red and beautiful.

Cheers, Whitepine

racoll · Post by **racoll** » 01 Oct 2005, 20:49

i've found krib fry in my ehiem external. I've also found a baby krib in the toilet after some overzealous siphoning! (some hours later i might add) oops

Unfortunately i couldn't coax him out. I even tried feeding him! I had to flush the poor chap after an hour trying to get him to come out of the U-bend!

Not fry, but i found a baby common plec in a batch of plants that i bought. I couldn't be bothered to take him back, and i didn't have the heart to kill him, so he's now in the planted tank.

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 02 Oct 2005, 12:01

A few years ago, I've found baby Synodontis petricola fry in the empty snailshells used by the wildcaught Altolamprologus calvus to breed.....those shells were defended, and full of calvus-eggs with the female near, but somehow the petricola managed to ditch their eggs in there as well; it had only happened -repeatedly- when I had that pair of calvus, never with any other cichlid.

I find petricola fry on a regular base in the big biofilter, but never in any nest or shell, and never have again since I traded those calvus.

another tiny Syno turned up in my Synodontis granulosus breeding tank, but it loked just like a baby petricola.....I was going epic until I remembered that I used the same tank to breed petricola's; he must have survived in a wedge in the backpanels, because now that he's growing up between the other petricola's he's exactly the same as them.

bronzefry · Post by **bronzefry** » 03 Oct 2005, 17:03

I remember paying so much attention to that first batch of fry I ever had. Were all the parameters correct? Was I feeding them correctly? I was so worried. Turns out they can survive in the most unexpected places and conditions.

I read about how difficult it is to breed Synos, and here you are, Sid! I love it!

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 04 Oct 2005, 00:14

petricola's aren't hard to breed, and the few oddball fry were "ordinary" S "petricola dwarf".

I've been breeding the northern Burundi petricola in large numbers, hundreds.....there's a topic on that one in the African section, with lots of pics.
but no fry in rare places, except the last one wich was the one in with the grannies.

now if only THEY started to breed like that.......

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » 04 Oct 2005, 13:03

i've found Tigrinus Fry in the sump, convict fry in the sump, and most other fry in the sump, I should really out some meshing over the overflow!

-dunc

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 04 Oct 2005, 14:09

tigrinus fry???

you breeding Merodontotus?

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 04 Oct 2005, 14:23

sidguppy wrote:tigrinus fry???

you breeding Merodontotus?

There's a few different genera that have a specie called Tigrinus.. In fishbase:
Apareiodon tigrinus
Batasio tigrinus
Crenilabrus tigrinus
Diodon tigrinus
Galeocerdo tigrinus
Holocentrus tigrinus
Ichthyophis tigrinus
Leporinus tigrinus
Merodontotus tigrinus
Mugilogobius tigrinus
Myrichthys tigrinus
Scuticaria tigrinus
Serranus tigrinus
Squalus tigrinus
Stegostoma tigrinus
Synbranchus tigrinus
Trichomycterus tigrinus
Uropterygius tigrinus

I'm not sure which Duncan is referring to, if any of those. It could be some old synonym as well. I somehow doubt it's the Merodontotus [which is now Brachyplatystoma, right?]

--
Mats

bronzefry · Post by **bronzefry** » 04 Oct 2005, 20:01

I could be wrong, but it seems that fry, of any fish, seem to seek out some sort of safety. It sounds like a big "duh" but one really needs to do a checking over of a tank. You never know where the little ones will end up. I guess it's almost like "child-proofing" a house. Fry-proofing a tank?

I'm thinking about this as I'm watching Pristella sp.go at it. It's been intense now for 24 hours without a break. I think the tankmates got a lot of the eggs, but I think I'll check the Eheim in a week to make sure. Lots of good eating in that filter.

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » 04 Oct 2005, 20:14

I'm breeding TSN's. I like them alot, I have them in 2100 pond, and already planning to upgrade!

-dunc

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » 04 Oct 2005, 20:20

I'm also thinking about crossing the male with a female RTC I have in a smaller pond (only 1000 gallon) but if I cross them, will I be able to get the two TSN's (Male and Female) to spawn again?

-dunc

laurab5 · Post by **laurab5** » 05 Oct 2005, 02:24

I have found mbuna fry in my XP3, but that isn't much. Sid, you breed granuoluos. How many spawns have you had, what is you ratio for the adults, and how many fry have you got.

Dave Rinaldo · Post by **Dave Rinaldo** » 05 Oct 2005, 03:13

laurab5 wrote: Sid, you breed granuoluos. How many spawns have you had, what is you ratio for the adults, and how many fry have you got.

laurab5...where has Sid mentioned that he has had any spawns?

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 05 Oct 2005, 12:39

Spawns yes, but the buggers ate all the eggs

So I'm still stuck at a way on how to collect them.

I DID build a huge marble trap (with oversized marbles

) but they didn't like it at all

It seems they lay their eggs on and IN the sand, I've seen the female making "wriggling" movements with her belly in the sand, papil extended. no eggs, but the next day she lost a fair bit of size. prequels to the nightly spawn?

Any disturbance or shoveling the sand stresses the fish quite a bit, darting through the tank and cutting off any spawnbehaviour for days or weeks. been there, tried that.

if I save eggs or fry, you'll know, believe me!

Psy · Post by **Psy** » 05 Oct 2005, 14:03

Try an undergravel filter? It would be hard to get it in, but it might work. The eggs might settle in, below the thing (along with sand of course)and prevent midnight snacks. You could then siphon it out like normal UGF gunk, through the riser tubes.

Of course it wont filter a thing, so you would only need the plastic, no powerheads, airstones ect.

Zebrapl3co · Post by **Zebrapl3co** » 05 Oct 2005, 16:43

I once pass by a child being born inside a car in the highway. Yup, crazy huh? When nature calls, you gotta go, you gotta go! Oh wait, that's the saying for taking a p!ss. Off topic, but HA, got you guys. Heh

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 06 Oct 2005, 01:48

Psy, the scenario with sumps and filters won't work with Synodontis-eggs......

I had to read that marble-trap spongefilter story very carefully too; then I found out that the writers haven't used or tried it themselves

The fly in the ointment is this: fresh laid Synodontis eggs are very, very sticky!

this stickyness disappears after a few hours, but 24 hours or so for sure.
A useful trait for any fish ditching eggs in rockwedges or into sand; the eggs once laid will stay where they are.
the only non-sticky eggs are laid by broodparasite Syno's; the multipunctatus and the "sp Goldeneye".

I use marble-traps without the sump/filter for petricola-eggs, and the eggs have to be collected from between the marbles.
wich means you have to empty the traps every day to avoid fungus (in the trap water is stagnant, creating bacterial and fungal growth); eggs sticking to marbles or glass bowl have to be wiped carefully from the glass.
luckily that can be done, they're sticky, but not that fragile.

So far I have seen eggs from S petricola, S "petricola dwarf", S polli, S "polli White" (at a breeder), S multipunctatus, S 'goldeneye'; the first 4 species lay sticky eggs the last 2 do not.

Zebrapleco; your 1 and only post on the whole forum is trivial and offtopic; well done

Psy · Post by **Psy** » 08 Oct 2005, 03:56

Sticky?

Who would have thought that its a good idea to stick eggs to the sand? Never would have suspected synos laid sticky eggs. [let me guess, its in the cat-elog...]

fishfarmer · Post by **fishfarmer** » 08 Oct 2005, 17:14

Since my Aspidoras sp Black Phantom C-35 have taken to swimming up into the outflow of the hang on the back filters to lay their eggs, it doesn't surprise me when I find fry in the filters.

And my Synodontis Petricola lay some of their eggs in the yarn mops that are in the tank for the rainbows to breed in. I used to think the syno's were entering the mops trying to eat rainbow eggs. It should have occured to me that they were swimming into the mops two at a time. It was a surprise when I first saw the syno fry swimming among the rainbow fry, although the syno fry don't even show them selves for several weeks.
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bronzefry · Post by **bronzefry** » 08 Oct 2005, 19:03

I've got a Chaetostoma sp. who is quite the Houdini. I've had to lower the water level in his tank. He likes to climb into the hang-on-the-back filter. All kinds of yummies in there plus a "car wash" entrance.

Just the right atmosphere he's looking for. He still tries to make the "jump" at least once a day. I have a nice tight lid around the filter now. I'm still searching for a female for him. He's a common. Apparently not that "common."