What L number is belong to this name

chantie · Post by **chantie** » 15 Aug 2005, 20:53

First at all i want to say hello to everyone. I am chantal from the netherlands (so sorry for my bad english)
i have many L numbers because i love this kind of fish. I have buy 3 new one to day but now i have the name but not there L number. I have looked in the cat alog but i cant find them. Do someone know the L number of the Chaetostoma Thomasi, the L number of the hypostomus plecostomus albino and the L number of the liposarcus Multiradiatus.
I hope someone wil know.

Greets Chantie

Post by **Silurus** » 15 Aug 2005, 21:54

There is no such name as Chaetostoma thomasi. You are probably referring to C. thomsoni instead: http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/lo ... /318_f.php

The other two fish do not have L numbers.

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 16 Aug 2005, 09:59

Just to clarify the non-L-number of the two fish...

L-numbers are assigned to fish that haven't been scientifically described. This means "new" fish. Fish that has been scientifically describe prior to the introduction of L-numbers some 15(?) or so years back, will not have an L-number.

It's pretty similar to the dishwasher powder being called X23 while it's being developed, and than being called "Super Deluxe Shine" when it comes to market.

L-numbers are not unique identifications of a single specie of fish. Quite often several L-numbers are given to a single specie.

[There are exceptions where L-numbers have been given to fish that are scientifically described. This usually happens when someone doesn't recognise the fish from the scientific description, and later on some research is done, and someone finds that "Oh, Lxyz is actually <some specie described in 1848>"].

I know that it's easy to just say L14, instead of Scobinancistrus Aurateus, but L14 should really only be used until the specie is described scientifically, and after that, the scientific name should be used.

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Mats

chantie · Post by **chantie** » 16 Aug 2005, 19:28

oke thnx for youre time

It helped me alot and its indeed the L187b.
I dindnt know that there where NOT L-numers, i always think everyone has a L number. So i learn again

Chantie (sorry again for bad english)

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 16 Aug 2005, 21:45

Thank God they don't all have l-numbers, we'd be well past L1000 by now!

Jools

chantie · Post by **chantie** » 17 Aug 2005, 16:34

Jools wrote:Thank God they don't all have l-numbers, we'd be well past L1000 by now!

Jools

yep buts its easyer to remember then all that latins names

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 17 Aug 2005, 17:03

Yes, it's easier to remember L46 than Hypancistrus Zebra, or L15 than Peckoltia Vittata, that's for sure.

However, it's also less "precise" and holds less information. If you have only L15 as the information availabe, and not the latin name, you have no clue (without finding more information somewhere, or for instance finding it's latin name). However, the Peckoltia Vittata gives you a small amount of useful information in that it's Peckoltia genus, which tells someone with a bit of knowledge that it's a omnivore with a liking for meat, a cave spawner, males have "hairier" bodies, it doesn't grow enormous, etc.

[Now a completely different problem is finding the correct latin name and/or L-number for a particular fish, which can sometimes be quite difficult task without the help of my friends on this site.]

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Mats

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 17 Aug 2005, 17:55

chantie wrote:yep buts its easyer to remember then all that latins names

No way, once you've got past your first 40 or 50 numbers you begin to lose track. How would you know L66 needs the same care as L333? Easy, you know they are both Hypancistrus...

I guess it's easier if you don't have to worry about all the numbers at the same time.

Jools

chantie · Post by **chantie** » 17 Aug 2005, 19:49

Yah maybey you are right. I only have 9 L numbers at the moment. And at this time i only remeber there L number and not there name

thats why i always speak about there L number. I have a offtopic question.... i have 2 Hypancistrus Zebra L 046. i have payed a lot of many for them... are they in youre country also so much?? i payed 120 euro each and then they are 3 cm long?

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 18 Aug 2005, 08:51

H. Zebra are REALLY expensive, if you can find some, everywhere in the world, because:
1. They look really stunning, so lots of people want them.
2. They are not available for wild catching at the moment.
3. Before they were banned from catching, they were quite rare, and they live at several meters depth in a very big river, so need divers to catch them.

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Mats