what kind of royals are these?

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what kind of royals are these?

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here's the picture :

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would i be wrong if i were to say that the one on the left is a Panaque albomaculatus and the one on the right is a Panaque nigrolineatus .. if i am wrong please correct me and if you need more pictures just tell me what angles you need and you'll get them :)
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Post by Silurus »

The one on the left definitely isn't <i>P. albomaculatus</i>, as this species has no stripes, only white spots on the body.
Both look like <i>P. nigrolineatus</i> to me.
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They're definitely both Panaque nigrolineatus.

(At least until the species is further divided.)

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well .. the only reason i say that is because the left's under belly (as well as a the tail) is spotted compared to the other .. here :

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Post by Silurus »

Nope, <i>P. albomaculatus</i> has smallish white spots rather sparsely distributed throughout the body (not just the belly and tail). And completely no trace of any lines whatsoever.
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so the same species of fish can just vary like this? even color and patterns? .. that's very interesting! .. well thank you very much! :D
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Post by Sid Guppy »

Maybe a male and a female! wouldn't be the first cat that shows sexual difference through belly patterns....
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Post by Jools »

It's hard to say without seeing the fish in the "flesh", but I would say the fish on the right (in the dorsal view) is P. nigrolineatus from northern South Amercia and the other is not although it could be from far apart as Colombia or Brazil! The paleness is not a factor to use here. The orange fin tips and belly and leading fin ray patterning are (to a degree). Am I correct in saying the figh with the lines in the belly pattern is the one with the heavier orange edging?

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Jools wrote:Am I correct in saying the figh with the lines in the belly pattern is the one with the heavier orange edging?

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that would be correct!
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Wow, those are beautiful fish, especially the one on the left :D
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so .. inconclusion of this would be that both royals are the exact same :?:
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Post by Dinyar »

They are different types of royals. It's possible that one day somoene will redefine them as different species. But for now, they are both still considered Panaque nigrolineatus.

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ohhh .. okay .. i understand now .. thanks very much! :D
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Post by Caol_ila »

Hi!

With the new DATZ having arrived this could probably be solved as they gave L330 to the "spotted" royal Panaque. The also write in the article that theres a big variance in the patterns and they count fish with spots on the belly and lines on the upper body as L330.
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Post by LiSCN »

Caol_ila wrote:Hi!

With the new DATZ having arrived this could probably be solved as they gave L330 to the "spotted" royal Panaque. The also write in the article that theres a big variance in the patterns and they count fish with spots on the belly and lines on the upper body as L330.
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Post by mokmu »

Caol_ila,

Just wondering regarding your last statement, you were referring to the photo with the spotted belly of LiSCN? How about this "L27a" that arrived in my country recently? The first half of the body, from the snout to the back and dorsal fin is striped, but from the dorsal or adipose fin to the tail it is spotted.

Right now this fish is around 2-2.5 inches. Do they start having these half body stripes when they are this size and grow to have the spots on the whole body or will they just stay this way until they grow bigger?
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unfortunately the stripped one died yesturday .. i have no idea how or why this happened :cry:
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Post by Yann »

Hi!

Officially L27a should be named L330 now!
L27a was an Aqualog name but the fish was previously not given any L number by Datz magazine.
This is the case now in the April issue!
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Post by Plec0maniac »

Itz possible that the upper photo is an L27a because when upside-down the patterns of the panaque seems to be spotted... :) I guess this plec is just stressed thats why the color of the plec isnt that intense! The other one is definitely an L27 or L27c
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Post by Caol_ila »

As Yann has pointed out allready with the introduction of L330 theres no L27a anymore...
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