how big is big for a pl*c?

ronsterrc · Post by **ronsterrc** » 13 Jun 2005, 04:57

Who owns a really large pl*c and could you show us please with supporting photographic evidence.....no guesses please!!

MatsP · Post by **MatsP** » 13 Jun 2005, 11:32

Any particular variety? [As there are about 600 different species in the Loricaridae family, and almost all that even have a common name will be called something Pleco].

I don't own any big ones, but my local shop has some P. Pardalis that are well over 10", which isn't anywhere near their max size, but they are amongst the biggest ones I've seen myself.

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Mats

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 13 Jun 2005, 18:43

I've seen specimen nearing 2 feet, but that was in the wild.
biggest Plec I know personally is a 20+ year old gibby in a tank of a friend; that beast is 43cm TL (measured length!)

chef · Post by **chef** » 13 Jun 2005, 20:14

seen a gibby at a show that was at least 45 cm total length and on that amazon abyss prog a couple of months back there was a panaque that was huge!!!

ronsterrc · Post by **ronsterrc** » 15 Jun 2005, 00:29

Well thats huge 45 cm, but i'd rather see pictures of pl*s that are huge.

Post by **Shane** » 15 Jun 2005, 04:22

This is fair sized. Photos property and courtesy of zx12, webmaster of placofanatics.com
-Shane

taksan · Post by **taksan** » 15 Jun 2005, 07:55

Here is a 50cm P.Pardalis

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 15 Jun 2005, 16:22

Nice one, Shane; looks like a Panaque!

is it a blue eye, or a close relative?

Post by **Shane** » 15 Jun 2005, 23:34

LDA 65. What baffles me is that this is the largest and most common Panaque in Amazonas and yet remains undescribed.
-Shane

ronsterrc · Post by **ronsterrc** » 16 Jun 2005, 08:10

man thats a HUGE fish.

anymore?

Mika · Post by **Mika** » 16 Jun 2005, 09:43

LDA 65. What baffles me is that this is the largest and most common Panaque in Amazonas and yet remains undescribed.
-Shane

This is what makes me wonder too in general.Another pleco is L 25.How come these have not yet been described? Maybe this should be one topic in taxonomy section.

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 16 Jun 2005, 10:35

On both those fish, they are very much deep water fish and so I presume this, and the plethora of undescribed fish in the amazon, explains their only recent move into the public eye?

Jools

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 16 Jun 2005, 12:21

I like it, a pretty fish.

a bit huge

for the ordinary tank, but I'll take a safe bet they taste terrific on the ol' BBQ.

You might just need a Louisville Slugger to get to the edible bits, though; a simple knife and fork won't crack that armour

Rense · Post by **Rense** » 17 Jun 2005, 17:51

90 cm is big enough? ;)

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 17 Jun 2005, 18:12

Acanthicus hystrix

I was wondering when someone would bring up these, they're about the biggest Pleco's around, next to Megalancistrus I think.

correct me if I'm wrong

Acanthicus hystrix
This one's quite larger than 60 cm, perhaps the info in the catelog should be updated?

For the specialists; what is -officially/scientific described- BIGGEST Pleco around?

bronzefry · Post by **bronzefry** » 17 Jun 2005, 20:46

It's sucker appears to be the same size as the Ray in the tank. Is the Ray food or tankmate? I also wonder how old are these larger specimens? I love the black and white photo in the catelog!

troi · Post by **troi** » 17 Jun 2005, 21:56

sidguppy wrote:Acanthicus hystrix
I was wondering when someone would bring up these, correct me if I'm wrong

LOL, Sidguppy, I was on my way to grab that link when I ran into your post. I too am surprised it took so long to turn up. One of my favorite fish photos.

troi

Rense · Post by **Rense** » 18 Jun 2005, 13:45

You're wrong Sid(yes, it can happen!

This is an Acanthicus adonis, not a hystix

troi · Post by **troi** » 18 Jun 2005, 16:54

Rense wrote: This is an Acanthicus adonis, not a hystix

What is the distinction, based on what we can see in this pic? Doesn't adonis reach "max" around 24 inches, accepting that size limits are guesses and not "writ in stone"?

troi

taksan · Post by **taksan** » 18 Jun 2005, 18:25

No Adonis are not uncommon at all as fully grown adults to be around 90cm. Biggest Pleco I ever saw was many years ago in a LFS here and to this day I have no idea what it was. Looked like a giant L114 with smaller spots but was proberbly 90cm +. Never seen or heard of one like that since proberbly a mutant gibby or something.

troi · Post by **troi** » 18 Jun 2005, 18:59

taksan wrote:No Adonis are not uncommon at all as fully grown adults to be around 90cm.

Oh, dear. Certainly not in captivity?

Guess I should move forward in finding a space and making a pond. Then I could get a Mother Of Snails as well, i guess.

troi

Rense · Post by **Rense** » 18 Jun 2005, 22:07

troi wrote:Certainly not in captivity?

they aparently do reach sizes like that in captivity.

ronsterrc · Post by **ronsterrc** » 19 Jun 2005, 01:01

Everyone is missing the point of this post..What i want is pictures of everyones large pl*c... Can we have more pics please

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 20 Jun 2005, 07:29

This is an Acanthicus adonis, not a hystix

Acanthicus adonis has very conspicious white spots, whereas A hystix is a black-grey monster.

where are the white spots??
I'll stick to hystix!

taksan · Post by **taksan** » 20 Jun 2005, 08:04

sidguppy wrote:
This is an Acanthicus adonis, not a hystix
Acanthicus adonis has very conspicious white spots, whereas A hystix is a black-grey monster.

where are the white spots??
I'll stick to hystix!

This is a adonis .... they only have the white spots as juveniles or sub adults

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 20 Jun 2005, 10:08

taksan wrote:This is a adonis .... they only have the white spots as juveniles or sub adults

Yes, but how then do you tell adult A. hystrix and A. adonis apart if they both are black?

Jools

taksan · Post by **taksan** » 20 Jun 2005, 10:25

Jools wrote:
taksan wrote:This is a adonis .... they only have the white spots as juveniles or sub adults
Yes, but how then do you tell adult A. hystrix and A. adonis apart if they both are black?

Jools

Easy you put them both in the same tank and the next morning you fish out the dead hystrix

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 20 Jun 2005, 10:33

Very funny, that doesn't answer the question however. How do you ascertain the difference that you state above?

Jools

Rense · Post by **Rense** » 20 Jun 2005, 11:20

What I do know that the white dots fade when they become subadult/adult.

I'm not sure how to tell the difference between adult hystix and adult adonis, but the site where this picture came from said it was an adonis, so that's why I think it's adonis ;)

@sid: look them up in the cat-eLog, there are also pictures of subadults and there spots are almost completely gone...

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 20 Jun 2005, 13:21

@sid: look them up in the cat-eLog, there are also pictures of subadults and there spots are almost completely gone

don't insult me by implying that I did NOT check the catelog immedeately after I found out about this topic and decided to reply

I still stand by A hystix UNTIL someone gives me hard proof that the entirely unspotted black monster is in fact A adonis.

the site where this picture came from said it was an adonis, so that's why I think it's adonis

given the confusion on Loricariid names, the many mistakes by retailers when it comes to label their fish correctly, the amount of sheer gibberish and idiocy on the net and the average intelligence-level of my fellow bi-peds on this planet putting down stuff on internet; that is a VERY dangerous aasumption to make, Rense!!

just because "some site said it was".......
woooooooooo dangerous.

I'll wait for the dedicated Loricariid Honcho's to jump in, just like Jools; and wait for the verdict