Who has a good picture of a L-173

sharko · Post by **sharko** » 12 Mar 2005, 17:30

As i am trying to write an aticle on H. zebra, i am looking for a good picture of L173.

Anynoe out there who would like to donate a picture?

Credit will be given in the article.

kkorotev · Post by **kkorotev** » 12 Mar 2005, 22:48

It is my understanding (DATZ) that L173 and L46 are the same species.
So...any Hypancistris zebra picture is also a picture of L173.

That is my opinion,
I am often wrong.

Kevin

sharko · Post by **sharko** » 12 Mar 2005, 22:58

kkorotev wrote:It is my understanding (DATZ) that L173 and L46 are the same species.
So...any Hypancistris zebra picture is also a picture of L173.

That is my opinion,
I am often wrong.

Kevin

L46, L98 and L173 are all Hypancistrus zebra,and from Xingu river
L46 have straight lines, but some are broken near the head area, L98 are more wavy looking, and more broken than L46.
L173's stripes..how can i put this is: all over the place:)

I have pictures of L46 and L98, but i am missing a good picture of L173..
To show the diffenrent patterns..you see?

kkorotev · Post by **kkorotev** » 12 Mar 2005, 23:19

Hmmmm...
I may regret this, but here goes:

If fish are given "L" numbers to identify them; to give them a nickname to use for conversation until a scientific description can be made and the fish NAMED; then
there is no longer any distinction between between L46, L98 and L173.
"L" numbers were used to identify the fish (as different species) until it was determined they were/are all the SAME species. Technically, the numbers L46, L98 and L173 could all be re-used.
IF All three of these fish are described/named Hypancistrus zebra. They don't NEED a number anymore and using one is, technically, incorrect.

Consider the Betta splendens or...heck, I'll really go out on a limb here: Consider the Homo sapien. There are color variations, but the SPECIES is the same.

So, it is my understanding that it would be incorrect for you to make distinctions between some local color variations of the Hypancistrus zebra by assigning them different "L" numbers. This problem is exactly why the AQUALOG is so screwed up...or, at least one of the reasons.

end of speech,
my apologies,
I'd appreciate being corrected if I'm wrong.
Kevin

Post by **Janne** » 12 Mar 2005, 23:47

Yes you are right Kevin

But what Sharko means is just that he wants to show the variations in the same species H. zebra as a part in his article and need a picture of that typical pattern.

Janne

kgroenhoej · Post by **kgroenhoej** » 13 Mar 2005, 16:52

http://l-welse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5808

sharko · Post by **sharko** » 13 Mar 2005, 18:26

Thanks kgroenhoej

fabulous patterns on that zebra

Julie · Post by **Julie** » 15 Mar 2005, 18:43

THIS IS NOT MY PIC so please do not use it, but I thought I'd post it here... as an aid to what was just imported as an L173

If someone really wants to use this, I'll contact the picture taker, and see if I can get permission.

sharko · Post by **sharko** » 15 Mar 2005, 19:23

I hope the owner did not pay h. zebra prize for this one. That is not cool

Unfortunately it is already reports of this kind of "rip offs" Seriously...any LFS should know better...

Julie · Post by **Julie** » 16 Mar 2005, 02:47

This is a direct import to a wholesaler. this is remarkably like the L236 except for color... and in fact in the latest Aqualog when you look up L236, they say see also L173, same fish, different river?

Sharko, do I take it you don't think that fish is an L173??

sharko · Post by **sharko** » 16 Mar 2005, 10:47

Lampy wrote:This is a direct import to a wholesaler. this is remarkably like the L236 except for color... and in fact in the latest Aqualog when you look up L236, they say see also L173, same fish, different river?

Sharko, do I take it you don't think that fish is an L173??

Correct i don't believe the fish is a L173, but probably related.
The L236 has a somewhat different body shape, and comes from a different river, however the river has similar conditions as the Xingu River, and they do connect.
In one of the pictures in Aqualog there seem to be a somewhat yellowish picture, but i know it is not zebra pleco.

When it says "see also 173", i believe it is to show that it might be related to it, and that it looks very similar. It is not necessarily the same fish.

In Aqualog they are both identified as hypansistrus sp.
But to sell this fish as a L173, is a stretch

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 16 Mar 2005, 10:56

Hi!

Yeap no L173... it really has a distinctive body pattern...

Look similar to L236 for sure, more similar than the other you had as L236....

Well these Rio Xingu and tributaries Hypancistrus are getting a real mess...exporters are not doing their best to avoid confusion...

cheers
Yann