L316?

OD · Post by OD » 07 Nov 2004, 23:26

Is this an Hypancistrus sp. L316?

Thanks

Post by **Silurus** » 07 Nov 2004, 23:47

It looks more like a member of the Panaque dentex group. L204, maybe?

Pandadosmares · Post by **Pandadosmares** » 08 Nov 2004, 00:34

Hi,

L204

, it is a L316

Bellow a L204 from Peru

Post by **Barbie** » 08 Nov 2004, 05:13

I'd have to disagree on this one. At that size L204 wouldn't have nearly the heavy spiney growth on it's sides, and the shape of the head is wrong. L204 tend to drop off more steeply from the eyes down.

With that said, it also doesn't look like the L316 we have in at the shop at work either, nor enough like the one here at L-welse.

Sorry I'm not more help.

Barbie

Post by **Janne** » 08 Nov 2004, 22:09

Yes it's L316 you have...a very nice male.
There are not many L316 species that look the same and the pattern is very much variable from a few dots to thick or thin lines but they all have almost the same pattern in the fins...thick black and white stripes.
I was thinking to show some pic's but I couldn't upload to my album tonight to show how much they are variable in the pattern.

Janne

Jorge · Post by **Jorge** » 09 Nov 2004, 02:29

I think it's correctly identified as L316.

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OD · Post by OD » 10 Nov 2004, 23:00

Finally, I think it's correctly as L316.

Another detailed photo of the mouth.

This is another fish, I believe that the first photo's is male, and this other too. Do you think the same?

Thanks

Sorry for my bad english

Post by **Janne** » 11 Nov 2004, 08:05

Yes they are both males.

Janne

pezgato · Post by **pezgato** » 11 Nov 2004, 09:14

Janne, are you sure the last one is a male?
Please, look at this pic.

Post by **Janne** » 11 Nov 2004, 09:43

If I look on the pic which shows the body from above the whole fish are covered with body odontodes which females not really lack but they are much smaller and not as visible compared to a male. Your pic seams also to be a male but even females get odontodes both on cheeks and pectoral but less and smaller then males, males look more greyish with all body odontodes and females looks more clearly black and white.
To be sure you can look on the genital papilla...male's looks like a tap and females like a bulb when mature and in good condition.

Janne

pezgato · Post by **pezgato** » 15 Nov 2004, 22:24

Photos of the genital papilla.

ItÂ´s a male?

Thanks.

Post by **Janne** » 18 Nov 2004, 20:50

Yes it's a male, it's a little hard to see but in the middle of the genitalpapilla there are a tap...in raped females it will be round and more swollen.

Janne

stina · Post by **stina** » 18 Nov 2004, 22:06

Genital papilla rules

, from my exp i also think it is male!
regards

Judazzz · Post by **Judazzz** » 18 Nov 2004, 22:51

I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but is that fish the same as the one below? I bought that guy some two months ago, but haven't gotten a definitive answer concerning his ID as of yet

Thanks...

Post by **Janne** » 19 Nov 2004, 21:22

Yes thats also a L316 you have, they are very variable in the pattern.

Janne

Judazzz · Post by **Judazzz** » 19 Nov 2004, 21:59

Janne wrote:Yes thats also a L316 you have, they are very variable in the pattern.

Janne

Thanks

pezgato · Post by **pezgato** » 21 Nov 2004, 21:39

Janne or another mate: Do you have a picture where we can see a female papilla?
IÂ´m very interested in buying a female to breed them.
Thanks.

Post by **Janne** » 21 Nov 2004, 23:19

Sorry but I dont have any pic of a females genital papilla, honestly my camera is not enough good in micro shots.

This is a pair spawning and have a look on the body odontodes in this male...females lack them.

You can also have a look in my album for more pic's of L316.
http://www.corydorasworld.com/gallery3/L316

Janne

pezgato · Post by **pezgato** » 17 Jan 2005, 22:14

And finally, itÂ´s possible this friend could be a female?
Thanks for your opinions.

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Post by **Janne** » 18 Jan 2005, 19:26

Yes, I would say that is a female.

Janne

pezgato · Post by **pezgato** » 18 Jan 2005, 21:00