interesting plec - no id, please help!

blackmystus · Post by **blackmystus** » 09 Mar 2004, 14:40

can anyone id this plec for me ?

http://uk.msnusers.com/Unidentifiedplec

thanks.

Post by **Barbie** » 09 Mar 2004, 15:51

I looked at this picture the first time you posted it, but was hoping someone else would have some input. It's really impossible to tell what color pattern it has or anything else from that picture. Would it be possible for you to try some with its dorsal upraised in the water?

Barbie

Post by **Silurus** » 09 Mar 2004, 16:14

I thought it was some kind of Hypostomus of the H. cochliodon group.

joern · Post by **joern** » 09 Mar 2004, 16:14

Hi,

it's really diffcult to id this pleco on that photo...hard contrast, flash light ?...
If I look at it's front, it reminds me at L135 "wormline pleco".

Did you look at the catelog to compare ?

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 09 Mar 2004, 16:16

Hi!

Can you take a pic of the teeth? To me it looks like L77 Cochliodon sp. (the one pictured in DATZ not the one here on PC)
.http://www.l-welse.com/forum/index.php? ... E=03&ID=79

jc · Post by jc » 10 Mar 2004, 10:18

i have one that looks like that in the picture, did some search in the catalog myself earlier, the closet i found was l135 and l121, some sites also list it as l37 net pleco, although it look nothing like the net pleco in catalog

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 10 Mar 2004, 12:28

Sorry but to me there is no way that this fish is a "Peckoltia" sp. even with the out of water shot you see that its a Hypostomus.

blackmystus · Post by **blackmystus** » 10 Mar 2004, 15:51

thanks to all who responded, i still have no idea what it could be.

the nearest out of the lot of yas i would say is an L77. but it is hard for me to say what colours that fish is displaying. is it stress colouration from being out of the water?

the colours on my fish are as true as you can get. it was taken with a Â£700 digital camera, printed out on photoquality paper at Â£5 a sheet. i took it in this way to get the colours right. and those are the colours. when he is in the tank, he displays a very rich brown/almost burnt orange colour with the dark banding.

i am going to try and get up another pic. it is a close up head shot taken at night on the same digital camera. i was doing a water change so it is a bit messy.

will post a reply with link to pic.

thanks.
Dave@

BMFH

blackmystus · Post by **blackmystus** » 31 Mar 2004, 22:49

for more pics, goto: http://uk.msnusers.com/Unidentifiedplec

i also got an 8" Cichlasoma bifasciatum

cheers,

Dave@
BMFH
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Post by **Barbie** » 31 Mar 2004, 22:57

Hi,

Could you please navigate to the actual pictures you want us to look at and link to them? rather than the entire page? I think you'll get more help that way.

Barbie

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 31 Mar 2004, 23:02

Hi!

I still think that L77 is the closest id. If the cam costs so much can it take some pics of the teeth?

blackmystus · Post by **blackmystus** » 31 Mar 2004, 23:02

thanks for the tip. sorry, but i am new to this site and have only just figured out how to get a pic on the message board. could you tell me how to do it and then this wont happen again? sorry if this has cause anyone any problems. cheers, Dave@ BMFH. good luck with the id!

Post by **Barbie** » 31 Mar 2004, 23:05

All you have to do is navigate to the page, so you are actually viewing the picture you want people to look at, and post the link that's in your address bar, rather than just the URL for the main directory.

Barbie

blackmystus · Post by **blackmystus** » 31 Mar 2004, 23:10

i had some photos of the mouth but unfortunately, the little bugger wasn't playing tonight! will try and try and try even if it means i have to get the damned thing out in a clear tub!!!

again, thanks to all who are helping, it is much appreciated. all i want to do is find out what it is, find a partner for it and try and breed them. it may be a long shot, but hey, Zebras bred for me!

do you mean putting up the pics like i did a minute ago? theyre really small and i dont think they can be made bigger here on the site. i'll try and upload one now, bigger............

cool it worked! sorry to be a dumbass, but if you knew me well, you'd understand!!!!!!

anyway heres the other two!!!!!!!!!

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 02 Apr 2004, 07:01

Hi!

Too me it is L37 with pretty much no doubt about it!
Check the link here
Hypostomus sp coming from the Rio Araguaia, Para, Goias, Brazil
Cheers
Yann

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 02 Apr 2004, 10:18

@yann dyou think this is possible to say without having seen the teeth?

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 02 Apr 2004, 12:24

@ Chris

Yes but only because I am awfully exhausted... if not you can't

Given a second look and a first at L77

Both L37 and L77 look really to close... very strange that two species from different location can pocess such highly similar pattern....
Jon's work putting Cochliodon into synonymy with Hypostomus take all its sens when you look at both fish...
Would be interesting to make a comparative study of ADN of both if they really have different teeth shape...
Cheers
Yann

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 02 Apr 2004, 12:38

Hi!

Thats what i meant...according to Jon its a Hypostomus sp but following IsbrÃ¼cker e.a it could also be a Cochliodon depending on this fishs teeth. In any case this also would make the difference between L37 and L77. I have to add that i know both fish(es) only from pictures.

blackmystus · Post by **blackmystus** » 02 Apr 2004, 15:28

hi yann,and evryone else, thanks for the responses. i will be taking some pics of the teeth/mouth tonight. tried last night, but there was a huge scrap between my pictus blochii/albofasciatus and one of my snos so he didn't come out at all last night. i think it might be time for the clear tub!

werners L037

mine

on hand

from putting the three fotos together, i am pretty convinced that it is an L037, need some more pics as mentioned before.

weel keep you all posted,

Cheers,
Dave@ BMFH.

Yann · Post by **Yann** » 03 Apr 2004, 11:50

Hi!

I would also believe it is L37 for the following reason and have re thought about it...

* L77 is often mis id ...
* so far the true L77 is known from only one picture the one that was published in Datz

Both reason show clearly that is a very rarely imported fish, even possible that it has yet to be imported...

Now the only piece of doubt regarding L37 is, does all the imported speciemens of L37 are coming from the Rio Araguaia... or does any of them were caught in the Rio Parnaiba region...

Cheers
Yann

blackmystus · Post by **blackmystus** » 06 Apr 2004, 22:36

hi all, thought i would throw this in amongst the other messages, you may or may not have stumbled across it:

" I remember your post about this fish on
planetcatfish.com. I do agree w/ the folks that
suggested your fish matches the "L077" on
http:www.l-welse.com, and I even thought of this fish
when I seen yours. But it's also known that that fish
pictured on that site is NOT the rusty pleco...L077.
So there's a good possibility your fish is 100%
unidentified, having no L-number or anything. I
personally would be proud of that fact alone..hehe
But considering the imperfection of the L-number
system, it's possible your fish could be another #
that lacks properly identified pictures on the
internet.
Many of the brown Hypostomus don't get any attention
because they aren't brightly colored. Like my LDA24
Recife, another Hypostomus that can't be identified
w/o the aqualog or original magazine it was published
in...I tried!

Sorry I couldn't be more of a help but just take good
care of it and maybe it's ID will come up sooner or
later, I have a few catfish like this and I like em
them that much more because even the experts don't
know... "

still no mouth pics yet - will be up soon.

cheers,
Dave@ BMFH

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 06 Apr 2004, 23:54

Hi!

Who wrote this quote? To me it doesnt sound like the person talking has seen the new aqualog or DATZ publications. As they show the accurate pictures and hence are THE way to put the L-Numbers in use.

blackmystus · Post by **blackmystus** » 07 Apr 2004, 12:17

i believe he used the l-welse references on L-numbers.
still no pics, new camera today hopefully, old/new one overheats the battery.
post soon,

Dave@
BMFH, Carlisle.

Chrysichthys · Post by **Chrysichthys** » 07 Apr 2004, 16:52

It looks to me like the pleco shown in Aqualog (but not iCOSA or Transfish) as L161; although this might in fact be the same thing as L037. They are sold here as Snakeskin plecos, without an L number.

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