L-351 Panaque/Panaqolus

Post by **Shane** » 19 Jan 2004, 03:48

These should get you started. A simple search of the forum will turn up more information.

http://www.forum.planetcatfish.com/viewtopic.php?t=4396

http://www.forum.planetcatfish.com/viewtopic.php?t=2502

http://www.forum.planetcatfish.com/viewtopic.php?t=3962

-Shane

Erwin · Post by **Erwin** » 19 Jan 2004, 11:28

At the moment there seems to be some confusion about L350 and L351. A friend of mine ordered some L350 from the creator of that number and received a L351 instead. Maybe it was a mistake, but still...

Erwin

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 19 Jan 2004, 13:16

hi!

Absolutely great pleco. hes into wood, veggies and larvaes, daphnia, gammarus also. So pretty easy to feed. Hes also very active.
I bought him 12 cm long and he hasnt grown much since.
Heres a pic of the mouth

heres the fish

from what i can tell it would take years till this fish gets to 40-50 cm...

Erwin · Post by **Erwin** » 19 Jan 2004, 17:34

I don't think the L351 (L186a) is the one which gets so big, because I have seen them with about 15 cm, already with greatly enlarged odontodes on the sides. Werner and the Japanese pages reffer to the other one (L350) for reaching this size. A strange species, rather difficult to place to any of the described genera.

Erwin

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 19 Jan 2004, 18:00

Hi!

What you can see on the pic is many odontodes on the body/fins/everywhere...but touching the fish, it is very "soft" and not spiky.
Jools' initial comment on the teeth was Panaqolus.

Sentido · Post by **Sentido** » 20 Jan 2004, 01:34

Thanks to the experts for the informative replies.

What would be a reasonable maximum size estimate for the L-351 in the aquarium, if it doesn't grow as big as the L-350? Erwin, at 15cm, does the L-351 still retain its leopard pattern or does it become black all throughout?

Peru has some distinctive panaques. Japanese sites list a Peru green panaque

http://pictures.care2.com/view/2/389062359
http://pictures.care2.com/view/2/419132800

Aqualog has also listed an LDA29 "red brown panaque" that I haven't seen for sale in any German or Japanese site. Is this a rare fish?

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 20 Jan 2004, 01:48

Hi!

My fish is probably 13 cm tl w/o the filaments. And it changes colors like every 10 minutes...but never to all black! At night it gets almost white with a very fuzzy net pattern.

Btw you dont have to register a new name every time you post an answer. ;)

Sentido · Post by **Sentido** » 20 Jan 2004, 02:34

Off topic: I know I don't have to register a new name everytime

But maybe my account has been inactive for so long after my 1st post using the old name I had a hard time logging in again, there was an error, so I just got a new name

Erwin · Post by **Erwin** » 20 Jan 2004, 08:42

The fish on the following picture:

is probably a male with about 13.5 cm standardlength (SL) [see arrows from where to where SL is meassured]. And you probably can notice that is has enlarged odontodes on the sides, especially around the caudal peduncle, but also the interoperuclar odontodes are enlarged. It has lost its filaments on the caudal fin (through catch or transport(?)).

At the moment its best placed within Panaqolus, but maybe it also belongs to a yet undescribed genus of wood eating catfishs.

Erwin

Caol_ila · Post by **Caol_ila** » 20 Jan 2004, 18:27

Hi!

So mine looks like a female besides your fish. Do I understand right that with these specifics showing at this size the fish wont grow a lot more?

Erwin · Post by **Erwin** » 21 Jan 2004, 07:54

I am not 100% sure, but mostly when they show these secondary sexual dimorphisms, they have reached an adult size and won't grow much anymore. But on the other hand I have read that (some?) fish can grow as long as they live, probably slowly but still. The biggest L351 which I have seen so far, was about 15 cm SL.

Erwin