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Introduction
Hi Everybody,
I am new to fish board as you will have probably guessed. When I first started keeping tropical fish nearly 3 years ago I did not have any knowledge of fish. Now three years later I have sucessfully kept and bred, guppies, swordtails, mollies, platys, Egyptian Mouthbrooders, Jewel Cichlids, Mosquito Fish, Angelfish, Kribensis, Dwarf Cichlids, and currently trying to master Discus.
No I fancy a bit more of a challenge. I have recently getting into plecs. I now have 2 Red Taled Panques, Royal Plec, Choclate Zebra, 2 Albino Ancistrus, 1 Male Ancistrus, 1 Albino Plec.
I also keep a variety of corydoras.
Heres a few questions,
1. Would a Zebra plec go happily with a Choclate zebra, Royal Plec and Ancistrus (different species)?
2. Is £40.00 a reasonable price for a good quality zebra?
Your helpe will b appreciated.
Thanks
Simon
I am new to fish board as you will have probably guessed. When I first started keeping tropical fish nearly 3 years ago I did not have any knowledge of fish. Now three years later I have sucessfully kept and bred, guppies, swordtails, mollies, platys, Egyptian Mouthbrooders, Jewel Cichlids, Mosquito Fish, Angelfish, Kribensis, Dwarf Cichlids, and currently trying to master Discus.
No I fancy a bit more of a challenge. I have recently getting into plecs. I now have 2 Red Taled Panques, Royal Plec, Choclate Zebra, 2 Albino Ancistrus, 1 Male Ancistrus, 1 Albino Plec.
I also keep a variety of corydoras.
Heres a few questions,
1. Would a Zebra plec go happily with a Choclate zebra, Royal Plec and Ancistrus (different species)?
2. Is £40.00 a reasonable price for a good quality zebra?
Your helpe will b appreciated.
Thanks
Simon
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- clothahump
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- Yann
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Hi!
Sincerely I would not recommand you to buy and put a H. zebra with these tankmates as these are way more competitive for food than he does!
Secondly, the risk of crossbreeding can exist and should not be considered to lightly, even with species of the same genus that have a really different adult size and colour morph!!!
Cheers
Yann
Sincerely I would not recommand you to buy and put a H. zebra with these tankmates as these are way more competitive for food than he does!
Secondly, the risk of crossbreeding can exist and should not be considered to lightly, even with species of the same genus that have a really different adult size and colour morph!!!
Cheers
Yann
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I agree with Yann that Hypancistrus zebra is likely to be outcompeted by all the other fish you have in your tank. It may hang in there, but then again, it may not. With an expensive fish like that, you may not want to take the chance.
I would be surprised if a zebra pleco would crossbreed with any of your other fish, including the so-called "chocolate zebra". In nature, animals of different species in the same genus often occur sympatrically (in the same habitat), but that does not cause them to lose their species identity. Quite the contrary, because attempts at interspecific mating have a high cost (sex is hard work, as every couch potato knows, and why bother if it ain't gonna lead to anything?), there is strong selection pressure against it. (This is true even of related species that would never meet in nature.)
Most of the crossbreeds that you see in the hobby are the work of unscrupulous breeders. Animals are pretty scrupulous about preferring sex with their own kind.
Dinyar
I would be surprised if a zebra pleco would crossbreed with any of your other fish, including the so-called "chocolate zebra". In nature, animals of different species in the same genus often occur sympatrically (in the same habitat), but that does not cause them to lose their species identity. Quite the contrary, because attempts at interspecific mating have a high cost (sex is hard work, as every couch potato knows, and why bother if it ain't gonna lead to anything?), there is strong selection pressure against it. (This is true even of related species that would never meet in nature.)
Most of the crossbreeds that you see in the hobby are the work of unscrupulous breeders. Animals are pretty scrupulous about preferring sex with their own kind.
Dinyar
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Anyone wanting to blow their mind with discussions of sympatric vs. allopatric speciation, and reproductive barriers should read "Darwin's Dreampond: Drama in Lake Victoria" by Tijs Goldschmidt (MIT Press).Dinyar wrote:In nature, closely related species often school together -- Cyprichromis and Paracyprichromis spp. for example, or different Corydoras, to choose a catfish example -- but manage perfectly well to recognize and mate only with their own kind. Without going into too much detail, this general mechanism (of recognizing and mating only with one's own kind) is at the heart of sexual speciation.
It's about them there Chichlids but fascinating reading.
Pete