New photo of Corydoras pavanelliae is not correctly ID'd.

[bekateen]

Hi Jools and @Coryman,

The newly posted photo of

Corydoras pavanelliae

is not correctly ID'd. C. pavanelliae does not have an eye mask.

I spoke with Luiz Tencatt (one of the authors who described C. pavanelliae), and he thinks this is closest to C. parallelus, and perhaps should be considered C. "cf. parallelus."

@Coryman, can we please get your perspective on this? Is there a C# or CW# which resembles the fish shown in this photo:

Thank you,
Eric

[bekateen]

Also, @rmc, do you have any thoughts?

Thanks, Eric

[Coryman]

C133

The closest to this species is C133.

C. pavanelliae is a lineage 8 sub clade 4 (straight snouted) species

[bekateen]

Thank you. @Jools, do you have any objection to me moving this photo from

Corydoras pavanelliae

to

C133

?

Cheers, Eric

[Jools]

Thanks Ian for the input.

Thank you. @Jools, do you have any objection to me moving this photo from

Corydoras pavanelliae

to

C133

?

None whatsoever!

Jools

[Karsten S.]

Hi,

The closest to this species is C133.

I do agree on this ID, it's extremely close to the original picture in the DATZ magazine.

However, I have to contradict to this statement:

C. pavanelliae is a lineage 8 sub clade 4 (straight snouted) species

C. pavanalliae is for sure no member of lineage 8. It has a typical pectoral spine of lineage 9 and a short mesethmoid. It is not explicitly assigned to any lineage in the species description but all lines but 6 (paleatus group) and 9 (punctatus group) are excluded. Due to colour pattern I tend to put them in lineage 9 but this needs to be confirmed by genetic analysis.

The cory species of lineage 8 from Madeira basin with this pattern is C. brittoi.

Cheers,

[bekateen]

Photo is moved and new photos (holotype) are uploaded for pavanelliae.

[Jools]

Thanks everyone.

Jools

[Jools]

I've been in touch with the keeper of this fish and he may join in the discussion as there is some gaps between everyone's viewpoints. It may be we remove it from C133, I will try to get some locality data.

Jools

[Jools]

OK, so the fish in question is from the Rio Madeira drainage. I propose to put it in it's own species entry for now.

Any further thoughts?

Jools

[Jools]

I've put juvenile and adult pictures of the same, new fish into a new species entry for now. It's

Corydoras sp(1)

. Main points of note are the fish is a brown base colour, not white and that the eye mask is not strong if at all present.

Jools

[rmc]

Hey Jools, just my opinion, but this is C133. I have CW127 a very similar fish from the Tapajos basin. Within a single fish the background color and mask is quite variable depending on substrate, breeding condition, age and possibly even mood. Looking at this photo I feel the fish would fit well within the range of C133. Hope you are doing well and Thanks!