Hara filamentosa? ID problem?

Post by **medaka** » 02 Jul 2005, 22:16

What references were used, for the new pictures of Hara filamentosa?
what now makes the one I bred a few years back Hara filamentosa?
and also what is the type with the long filament on the top ray of its caudal fin shown in the CSG(UK) forum gallery
http://www.catfishstudygroup.org/images ... ntosa2.jpg
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http://www.catfishstudygroup.org/images ... entosa.jpg

kamphol · Post by **kamphol** » 03 Jul 2005, 02:25

Try this for limited info.

Post by **Silurus** » 03 Jul 2005, 05:13

I stuck names on all of the Erethistidae sp. entry in the Cat-eLog, primarily because it irked me that these could not even be assigned to genera (that Erethistes and Hara are the same thing is a bridge we will cross soon enough). Some of the identities were more tentative than others.

Post by **medaka** » 07 Jul 2005, 20:06

Silurus

There seems to me that there are small differences in these two specimens.
The first one appears to be less in depth from the dorsal base, and the caudal fin lobes are more rounded, in comparison to the second type, also the markings in the caudal fin seems to differ, in your opinion
Are the differences there; or is it just me. If it is so, it just compounds the problem of what is Hara filamentosa, ?

http://www.catfishstudygroup.org/images ... entosa.jpg

&

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/3772IMG_3207.jpg

Also from the link given by kamphol in his post. Can I take it that the original holotype is no longer available ?

kamphol · Post by **kamphol** » 08 Jul 2005, 01:44

Just to add to the id confusion. These elongate Hara cf. filamentosa are from the Sittaung Rv. Top one is of normal coloration, bottom one is a red phase.

Post by **medaka** » 08 Jul 2005, 09:57

Just to add to the id confusion

Oh No!!!

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 08 Jul 2005, 12:07

We've seen this in other species of Hara too; specifically from the NE India trip.

Jools

Post by **Dinyar** » 09 Jul 2005, 18:40

What is this species below? The fish are quite large, the largest about 8-9 cm.

Post by **medaka** » 09 Jul 2005, 23:10

Hi Dinyar

any chance of a side view

Post by **Dinyar** » 10 Jul 2005, 18:13

medaka wrote:Hi Dinyar

any chance of a side view

Not the best pix, but this is what I have on hand, taken when they were first introduced to the tank.

sidguppy · Post by **sidguppy** » 10 Jul 2005, 19:08

Look like Giant Moth catfish to me; the true Hara hara perhaps?

Post by **Dinyar** » 10 Jul 2005, 20:47

I imported them as "Hara filamentosa". The Master suspects "Hara horai". He's usually right. (I was just trying to stir the pot a little...

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Post by **Silurus** » 12 Jul 2005, 01:32

My source in India has given me a bunch of these. I confirm that they are H. horai.
This means that Shane's article on the identification of the giant moth cat isn't quite correct and may need to be either corrected or taken offline.

YouTube · Post by **Jools** » 12 Jul 2005, 12:10

Silurus wrote:This means that Shane's article on the identification of the giant moth cat isn't quite correct and may need to be either corrected or taken offline.

What we _really_ need is either a CotM or maybe better yet a replacement article that deals with all moth cats pulling together a species by species ID guide and some of Medaka's breeding experiences.

I'm happy to facilitate this, however, of there are taxonomic changes in the near future (next few months) then perhaps the best course of action would be to pull the SW article in the meantime.

Jools

Post by **medaka** » 12 Jul 2005, 23:51

Erm.

I now have got a live collection of six 'differing' types of mothcats.
What I have noted so far may or may not prove valid. and Iam still working on them. I had hoped earlier in the year to complete my findings by this august, but alas due to a variety of factors this will not be the case. at the moment I am awaiting some reference material from India.

Please no one take offense,

At this moment i have no wish to expand on this anymore . I hope you all will understand. but if any one has any spare scientific descriptive documentation on these fishes, i would love to see them.
saying this I think that there may be many more types yet to be reported on. I do remember seeing a very large "mothcat" (approx 150mm SL) on a show bench maybe 8 years ago now, unfortunatly no photo was taken of it. if I remember there wasnt much in the way of markings on it. It was sort of grey all over.
Also another puzzler, fish base had a photo of hara horai, which looked like what silurus said could be pseudolaguvia, this fish is elongated and small. (jools there is a pic in the album) this fish has markings to body and fins akin to mothcats not like the markings on the other pseudolaguvia.

Post by **medaka** » 13 Jul 2005, 00:05

This is the little one I am on about
http://www.dignall.com/gallery/medaka/ereth_007

and this is where the silurus post I refer to is
http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... ght=#40366

btw i am at present inbetween changing computer systems so sorry if I only pay fleeting visits to PC :

Post by **Dinyar** » 13 Jul 2005, 04:12

medaka wrote:Also another puzzler, fish base had a photo of hara horai, which looked like what silurus said could be pseudolaguvia, this fish is elongated and small. (jools there is a pic in the album) this fish has markings to body and fins akin to mothcats not like the markings on the other pseudolaguvia.

The fish that is known in the trade as "Hara horai" is undoubtedly a Pseudolaguvia. Of this, even I have no doubt. To my eye, they look and behave just like other Pseudolaguvia, not Hara. One species sold as H. horai is shown in the Clog as P. ribeiroi. (I know because I took one of the Clog pictures and bought the fish from an Indian exporter as "H horai".) There may be other Pseudolaguvia species sold as "H horai", I'm not sure. That there may be other Hara and Pseudolaguvia species awaiting identification would not surprise me.

Not that I doubt HH's ID of the fish pictured in my post above as the real Hara horai, but I too would be interested in seeing the original description and learning why HH finds that it's H horai.

Post by **Silurus** » 13 Jul 2005, 09:10

The large size, massive head and slender caudal peduncle are among some of the distinguishing features of this species.

FWIW, here is a picture of the lectotype:

amiidae · Post by **amiidae** » 05 Mar 2016, 01:45

ID please. fish abt 2.5in TL. likely fm Thailand.

amiidae · Post by **amiidae** » 07 Mar 2016, 10:07

Any input ?

Post by **Silurus** » 07 Mar 2016, 12:00

Can only be filamentosa at that size.

amiidae · Post by **amiidae** » 09 Mar 2016, 10:34

Thanks.

btw, anyone can advise what is "red phase" ?

Post by **Silurus** » 09 Mar 2016, 23:23

Red phase refers to individuals that are more reddish in color. I've only seen this in the Burmese species.

Post by **medaka** » 15 Mar 2016, 13:31

Looks to me to be a very nice Erethistes Filamentosa

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