Ichthyologist who stung himself with madtom spp. venom

[Jools]

Hi All,

Both HH and I recall reading a post about, I think, an ichthyologist working with

Noturus

spp. who stung himself and recorded the relative pain of various species. Can anyone remember who this was, what paper or even find the post?

Cheers,

Jools

[bekateen]

It's not this one, is it?

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=29986&p=192160&hilit=madtom+stung#p192160

[Jools]

No, I had a look at that one and a couple of others. Basically I am looking for something that mentions the name of the researcher.

Jools

[bekateen]

Is it this paper (or at least cited in this paper)?
William S. Birkhead. 1972. Toxicity of Stings of Ariid and Ictalurid Catfishes. Copeia, 1972, No. 4 (Dec. 29, 1972), pp. 790-807

In this paper, both Reed and Taylor are cited separately as describing stings by fish. I couldn't check these primary sources to see if they were the people stung.

(I found it at JSTOR; sorry I'm on my phone and can't retrieve the paper)

[Silurus]

I think I checked those and they weren't it.

[Birger]

I just put some papers on venomous catfish into dropbox @jools (in a file called venomous catfish) , I do not think it is what you are looking for but the Mckinstry paper has many sting accounts but from different people. It does record the relative pain level and fish species when possible.

Birger

[fairgroundfish]

Well you learn something new everyday... I was never aware there are any venomous catfish!!??

[Jools]

Thanks to Mike Hardman, I've found it was in "A Revision of the Catfish Genus Noturus Rafinesque with an Analysis of Higher Groups in the Ictaluridae" by Taylor, William Ralph. 1969.

Cheers,

Jools

[Birger]

ahh brilliant, I did not think to look in that, I have it also.

Birger

[Jools]

Although a scan through it doesn't appear to mention self stinging. There is a Birkhead reference I need to follow up...


Jools