eyal8a pleco tank - beautiful pictures !!

[lmt6600]

Those are incredibly good pictures i must say!
I do agree with most comments, you are way overstocked and most of your plecos are not even fully grown yet. Get that bigger tank going and give those beautiful plecos more areas to swim around, i think alot of hobbyist will appreciate that.

Good luck.

[Phyllonemus]

Tropheus combined with Pleco's is completely INSANE

Tropheus need hard alkaline water plecs nee a low PH and a lo KH.
Tropheus are very sensitive to Bloat when giving them protein rich foods that the Pleco's need.

To me you are completely irresponsible to your animals, and completely nuts.

It should be forbidden to sell fishes to people like you

[eyal8a]

Tropheus combined with Pleco's is completely INSANE

Tropheus need hard alkaline water plecs nee a low PH and a lo KH.
Tropheus are very sensitive to Bloat when giving them protein rich foods that the Pleco's need.

To me you are completely irresponsible to your animals, and completely nuts.

It should be forbidden to sell fishes to people like you

Tou should learn to read before you talk
The tropheus tank is my 2nd tank , its not the pleco tank
It was just an example for some issue!!

To me you are a big moran !!!
If want to learn how to keep tropheus right look here http://www.aqua.org.il/forums/showthread.php?t=247144
Or here
http://trophs.com/forums/showthread.php ... post185211
You probably dont know how to read so just enjoy the pic's...

[Phyllonemus]

Malawians combined with pleco's is the same shit.
You shouldn't combine them for the same reasons mentioned before

Is cursing the only thing you are capable of ?
Looks that way.

If You think you are housing Tropheus the right, keep on dreaming.
They shouldn't be kept in a tank with almost no furniture ( Rocks if yo don't know ).
For Tropheus it's impossible to show normal behaviour this way.

[jvision]

Malawians combined with pleco's is the same shit.
You shouldn't combine them for the same reasons mentioned before

It's simply not true. Back when I was keeping and breeding Malawi cichlids, I had a group of wild caught Ancistrus that wouldn't breed in a tank of their own; but, when I added a group of Mbuna, they started breeding like crazy. Both kinds of fish can thrive in the same water. My local water is moderately hard and slightly alkaline, and I am keeping several types of Pleco in unmodified water that do quite well. It's only when I want some of them to breed that I use RO water. As far as I am aware, that's common practice around the world - maintain your fish in your local water conditions (not modifying your water makes it easier to do large/many water changes), then modify it as needed to induce spawning.

I can kind of understand people being upset with the population density of the tank, but I don't really get why people get all bent out of shape for mixing certain spp. Just because fish don't live together in the wild, doesn't mean they can't in captivity.

[eyal8a]

Malawians combined with pleco's is the same shit.
You shouldn't combine them for the same reasons mentioned before

Is cursing the only thing you are capable of ?
Looks that way.

If You think you are housing Tropheus the right, keep on dreaming.
They shouldn't be kept in a tank with almost no furniture ( Rocks if yo don't know ).
For Tropheus it's impossible to show normal behaviour this way.

Once again you proved that you cant read!!!
All of the mabuna in their way out!! Infact there is only 4 Mbamba left right now!!

You were the first one to cursing( calling me nuts) i just pay with the same coin

I can asure you that my tank is ideal for tropheus , & i have one of the most beautiful & healty lufubu in the world!! I can send you many heavy tropheus keepers feedback from all around the world to understand howmuch my tank is correcet for keeping tropheus!!

A tip for you
think (& learn to read) Before you wright your replay's

[eyal8a]

Malawians combined with pleco's is the same shit.
You shouldn't combine them for the same reasons mentioned before

It's simply not true. Back when I was keeping and breeding Malawi cichlids, I had a group of wild caught Ancistrus that wouldn't breed in a tank of their own; but, when I added a group of Mbuna, they started breeding like crazy. Both kinds of fish can thrive in the same water. My local water is moderately hard and slightly alkaline, and I am keeping several types of Pleco in unmodified water that do quite well. It's only when I want some of them to breed that I use RO water. As far as I am aware, that's common practice around the world - maintain your fish in your local water conditions (not modifying your water makes it easier to do large/many water changes), then modify it as needed to induce spawning.

I can kind of understand people being upset with the population density of the tank, but I don't really get why people get all bent out of shape for mixing certain spp. Just because fish don't live together in the wild, doesn't mean they can't in captivity.

[Jools]

To me you are a big moran !!!

Personal attacks are not welcome on this forum. Warning issued. Please keep it civil.

Jools

[Jools]

You're completely nuts......I feel sorry for the fish.

Ditto.

Jools

[Jools]

One of the issue's of fishkeeping is enjoying the natural behaviour....in a overstocked tank there's no room for natural behaviour. In my opinion you're nothing more then a stamp collector. Those people don't care about the fish....they just want a lot of fish.

keep on jealous

2nd warning issued for trolling. One more is a ban.

Jools

[Jools]

eyal8a,

I note your use of a toxic icon to denote their first post. However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't mean to start a fight. Can I remind everyone that the forum is moderated and we will not tolerate personal attacks or any other transgression of the rules. If you haven't realised, most people on the forum think what you are doing is unnatural - if you continue with your thread, be aware of that. I note you have singularly avoiding asking what the problem is.

For everyone one else, you are most welcome to post what you think of the tank and indeed ask questions around what might drive someone to do such a thing. But please remember calling someone names is going to get you a warning.

Jools

[eyal8a]

eyal8a,

I note your use of a toxic icon to denote their first post. However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't mean to start a fight. Can I remind everyone that the forum is moderated and we will not tolerate personal attacks or any other transgression of the rules. If you haven't realised, most people on the forum think what you are doing is unnatural - if you continue with your thread, be aware of that. I note you have singularly avoiding asking what the problem is.

For everyone one else, you are most welcome to post what you think of the tank and indeed ask questions around what might drive someone to do such a thing. But please remember calling someone names is going to get you a warning.

Jools

Hey jools
I realy didnt wanted to start a fight, all i wanted is to share my tank here
For some reason , some of the friends start to attack me..
If the had any reservations , they could tell me nice or by explanations but not use word like "stamp collector" or that i should be "ashame of my self" !!

I'm very sorry but when someone attacking me i response the same way...

I will use this platform to say i'm sorry to talk the way i did
I realy didnt ment to fight with anyone, if someone has Offended by my languge i'm realy realy sorry , i didnt mean it

I know all of you had good intention ( the way you put it was wrong) so i put all of it behind me

This is my tank for now
Next month i will replace it to the bigger one until than ill hold my updates,hopefully you'll enjoy more the new tank..

Eyal

[eyal8a]

By the way the toxic icon is by accident... I thought it was a film icon

[Deb]

Your tank is overstocked, even to American standards. and that says it all actually.

Actually, it says nothing to me. Of all the remarks made on this thread, this one seems the most offensive.

[smitty]

We are all here to learn from one another and enjoy what others have accomplished and support those who may be having a hard time with fish keeping. Also remember even if you don't mean to offend anyone it may still happen because what it comes down to is how they take it. But always remember someone has to be the bigger person. Also offer your opinion don't try and impose or force it on someone. Someone may be doing something that you don't do, but it still may not be wrong. I also think the vast majority really have good intentions when it comes to fish keeping.

[zeebo]

hi, I am just wondering if you plan to add caves to your tanks ? I use granite caves and have some long pieces of slate propped up stable so they can hang out as they would in their natural environment, and I have 2 exra caves than plecs.

I am not gonna get into the other stuff. Just wondered if caves/slate/hidey holes could be added, without creating unwanted chaos ?

Georgie

[eyal8a]

hi, I am just wondering if you plan to add caves to your tanks ? I use granite caves and have some long pieces of slate propped up stable so they can hang out as they would in their natural environment, and I have 2 exra caves than plecs.

I am not gonna get into the other stuff. Just wondered if caves/slate/hidey holes could be added, without creating unwanted chaos ?

Georgie

hi zeebo
i mange to create 3 caves with the mopani woods
1 is with in the most right/back mopani deco' & is used by the L046
2 more are in the shape of clay pitchers

[john82]

You can certainly take a very good photo.
But that is a lot of fish in one tank. U must do some serious maintenance to keep that stable.

[Phyllonemus]

The pictures are showing Malawian and Pleco's together, to put that kid of pictures on a forum, your asking for critical reactions, exept from Americans. They combine everything together and they like it very much also, that's wy the only positive reactions to your setups are coming from Americans

It's simply not true. Back when I was keeping and breeding Malawi cichlids, I had a group of wild caught Ancistrus that wouldn't breed in a tank of their own; but, when I added a group of Mbuna, they started breeding like crazy.

Based on water parameters it IS TRUE, Malawi=Hard alkaline water, SA=soft water, a big difference.

[eyal8a]

You can certainly take a very good photo.
But that is a lot of fish in one tank. U must do some serious maintenance to keep that stable.

thanks bro'
about the maintenance..
i have two massive filters
1.eheim Professional 3 series 2080 (1750LH) filled with only biological media
2.Rena xp4 (1550 LH) only mechanical use (absorb the Sludge)and active carbon(purit by brightwell )
3.every 2 days gravel cleaning
4.every friday 40% water change
5 usnig brightwell Erace cl & florinbacter on weekly use

[Jools]

You know, I think it rather insulting to all good American fishkeepers that they be labelled together with those that are not. It's also rather more complex an issue as involves demographics, history and internet availability.

Driving differences between us into this community of catfish kepers is not what this forum is about. By way of example, I could call all the international Dutch football players arrogant mercenaries, but then that is certainly not true of all of them - and is insulting to those great players who are (or were) not like that and their country and fans.

So next person to stereotypically label any nationality as a particular type of fishkeeper (or person) gets a warning. It's not what we do here. In my opinion and indeed experience (I think I've been in more fishrooms in more countries than most posters on this forum) good and bad fishkeeping is good and bad fishkeeping, they are not blinded by borders.

What I find tragic about that tank is the number of species, some of them endangered species, being kept without any regard to breeding them. Surely such a maintenance regime would be better guided at breeding some of these plecos?

Jools

[eyal8a]

The pictures are showing Malawian and Pleco's together, to put that kid of pictures on a forum, your asking for critical reactions, exept from Americans. They combine everything together and they like it very much also, that's wy the only positive reactions to your setups are coming from Americans

It's simply not true. Back when I was keeping and breeding Malawi cichlids, I had a group of wild caught Ancistrus that wouldn't breed in a tank of their own; but, when I added a group of Mbuna, they started breeding like crazy.

Based on water parameters it IS TRUE, Malawi=Hard alkaline water, SA=soft water, a big difference.

i dont expect to get only good replays !! but there is a way of puting things !!!
(by the way, you are doing it again, now you are out against the americans.. )
in a lot of places people combaine malawi fish with other kind of fish (pleco's,ells, tanganika and on..)
i never withness any disaster in their tanks

you have to understand that not everyone is in biotop mater.. & giving the right condition 2 groups can live together.

in my tank all of the pleco's colorful & healthy, AND all of my demasoni were one of the most beautiful & productive pack in Israel. they used to work on weekly base ( 7-10 juvenile each female.

now, as i said before, my biggest love is the pleco's, so as i notice that the demasoni & the Mbamba are'nt fit to the tank any more i sold them !!

[rob rensen]

Everywhere there are people who overstock their tanks...also in the Netherlands. Those people keep fish as a collection; as many species in one tank....no matter what kind of water they need, food etc....they just don't care and will never learn.

When you wanna keep different fish at least make sure that they need the same water.

I have a group of 7 Panaque Armbrusteri L027 Rio Xingu.....I bought such a group hoping to breed one day.

And Jools; I agree with you that the international Dutch football players are arrogant mercenaries

[eyal8a]

Everywhere there are people who overstock their tanks...also in the Netherlands. Those people keep fish as a collection; as many species in one tank....no matter what kind of water they need, food etc....they just don't care and will never learn.

When you wanna keep different fish at least make sure that they need the same water.

I have a group of 7 Panaque Armbrusteri L027 Rio Xingu.....I bought such a group hoping to breed one day.

And Jools; I agree with you that the international Dutch football players are arrogant mercenaries

first, both of us use nusty langauge to each other, i'm sorry for that, lets put it behind us
now althought you think my tank is overstoced,( i'm sure is not) i can assure you all of the pleco alright (the are not "survived")the water parameters for the pleco is not so diffrenet between the types
if the mallawi is the problem for you ,so the are now out from the tank

i'm sorry i dont have more room for more tanks , if I had,maybe i would have put some pleco's like you in their on tank..

one more thing, I'm not into breeding...I'm just enjoy lookink at their beauty and behavior

give me the credit that after 16 years with in this hobby i know what good or not to the fish

[smitty]

All of you really allowed this to go in a direction it did not need to go in. I had someone tell me that I needed a bigger tank for 1M, 1F Dovii in a 150 gallon tank. They were the only 2 fish in there. But that was there opinion. They were extremely beautiful and very healthy. We are all caging these species for our enjoyment. If you want to get technical. So if someone has x-number of fish in a tank, they are not beat up, and it is well maintained. Give them credit for that. I understand the concern about the different waters that certain fish require. That is a very valid point. So take that opportunity to educate the person.

[megacat]

Your tank is overstocked, even to American standards. and that says it all actually.

Actually, it says nothing to me. Of all the remarks made on this thread, this one seems the most offensive.

I totally agree with Deb on this one.

This comment is not only insulting and offensive it also shows the lack of respect by that member towards us north amercian hobbyists.

Dutchfry~

Before pointing the finger and singling out us Americans look at your close neighbors over in Asia
who have made overstocked and cramped tanks a normal pratice.

Lots of bull in this thread and some super heavy heads as well. Not a good thing!

[Jools]

This comment is not only insulting and offensive it also shows the lack of respect by that member towards us north amercian hobbyists.

Dutchfry~

Before pointing the finger and singling out us Americans look at your close neighbors over in Asia
who have made overstocked and cramped tanks a normal pratice.

I've spoken with Dutch fry and he was meaning to point out the proliferation of overstocked tanks from Americans on common social media platforms. It was not a dig at all American fishkeepers and I am content with that.

I do find it odd that we need to find respect for North American fishkeepers yet we can state that all Asian fishkeepers overstock tanks as a matter of course. I said earlier in this thread I would issue a warning for any further stereotyping.

To everyone, either ignore this post or contribute to this debate (even if you just want to post "I like/don't like") in a civil way without recourse to this kind of mudslinging.

Jools

[jac]

Can't we just lock this tread? It's not going anywhere... The owner isn't aware that he is doing anything wrong, the fish look in good condition, there's notting in the world we can do about it. People are getting frustrated, being insulted, this discussion is endless. And all for what exactly??
We help were we can, but it's got to be accepted first to gain anything....

[Jools]

Hi Jac,

Or we could just all be nice?

I am not a fan of locking threads that are borderline (in the sense of forum contributions) like this one as they just come back again and again. This is at least my experience of running this forum since it's launch in 2003. We're not known for ducking the hard issues here and things are usually pretty civil. Some one could, for example, do the math on adult size of all this pokemon collection - or draw analogies with what can be done versus what is good to do.

The point is not convincing the OP that he's got an overstocked tank, it's all the lurkers, those learning and "on-the-fence" that a continued debate serves to educate.

Tell you what, next nasty / warning level comment and I will lock it.

Jools

[matthewfaulkner]

Eyal8a - Do you test the water parameters? It's just that I would of thought 40% WC per week isn't enough to keep the water ok.