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synodontis granulosa
How to tell the difference between the hybrid ones and the real ones.
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Re: synodontis granulosa
Price. If it's cheap, it's a hybrid.
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Re: synodontis granulosa
fins
ALL fins (except for the adipose) have to be jet black with a glowing white margin
even the tiny ventrals and the anal fin have to be colored that way
if some of the fins are not black and white, it's a fake
and don't fall for "they'll color up later", cause that's bollocks; even a tiny 1" granulosa already has those fins up colored.
ALL fins (except for the adipose) have to be jet black with a glowing white margin
even the tiny ventrals and the anal fin have to be colored that way
if some of the fins are not black and white, it's a fake
and don't fall for "they'll color up later", cause that's bollocks; even a tiny 1" granulosa already has those fins up colored.
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Re: synodontis granulosa
Why not post a photo?
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Re: synodontis granulosa
see my avatar for a pic of a tiny one - even the UK bred ones are pricey depending where you go; i've seen them £95-£115 but they could be available a bit cheaper in some places. Beware a label that says granulosus sp as these seem to be hybrids all of the time
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Ive got to wait to find my camera and as soon as i do i will post a pic
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Re: synodontis granulosa
RickE wrote:Trimar is advertising a few 'True. English Bred' at £125
They seem to have gone up £10 @ Trimar
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Richard B wrote:RickE wrote:Trimar is advertising a few 'True. English Bred' at £125
They seem to have gone up £10 @ Trimar
They were £125 when I phoned this morning (not to buy granny,for something else.......... but I can dream.)
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Comparison pix ... Yeah I fell for the "the fins will turn white" line.
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Re: synodontis granulosa
On the fish in the bag, it doesn't have white barbles which is also an indicator.
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I think it does i think that its just the light, will have to take some better pics once i get back home to see itJools wrote:On the fish in the bag, it doesn't have white barbles which is also an indicator.
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Re: synodontis granulosa
Its whiskers are more of a dark grey, so im guessing that its a hybrid
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Re: synodontis granulosa
The color of the barbels is hard to tell in your latest pic. If anything, they don't look white to me. Your best bet would be to catch the fish, put it on a dark surface, and take some pics with the flash on. Alternatively, you could try to photograph it while it is hovering in front of the driftwood.
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Re: synodontis granulosa
I have seen granny's with dark barbels....
the fins look OK to me and spots do occur in young granny's.
but the mouth is odd......
it's far too wide for a granny, it looks like someone tried a polli-granny mix up.
the granulosa has the "regular" mouthshape like many riverines and also the multipunctata and grandiops
from below the mouth should look like a horseshoe and from above a pointed head with a rounded tip, not square.
it's not a member of the "polli-petricola-lucipinnis-dhonti" clade which all have wide square mouth to a degree.
from below these all have wide mouths and from above a blunt nose.
the fins look OK to me and spots do occur in young granny's.
but the mouth is odd......
it's far too wide for a granny, it looks like someone tried a polli-granny mix up.
the granulosa has the "regular" mouthshape like many riverines and also the multipunctata and grandiops
from below the mouth should look like a horseshoe and from above a pointed head with a rounded tip, not square.
it's not a member of the "polli-petricola-lucipinnis-dhonti" clade which all have wide square mouth to a degree.
from below these all have wide mouths and from above a blunt nose.
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Re: synodontis granulosa
So basically it is a hybrid?
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I'm not sure, but I fear it is
can you snap a picture from the side that shows the whole fish
also, a headshot -enlarged/zoomed in- that shows the head from the side, including the body piece just behind the head.
all Syno's have a pointy bone plate on the side, lying on the skin, just behind the gill.
it's just above the pectoral fin and it's called the humeral process.
this bony plate can be used as a "finger print", cause it has a different unique shape for each species
hybrids never have the same humeral process as the true species of the "elders", so the best way to see if a fish is a hybrid is by using this key
check this Synodontis multipunctata, the humeral is visible behind the head, just above the pectoral fin:
the humeral of another species, S acanthomias:
if you can take a pic where your fish shows this spike, we can be sure.
can you snap a picture from the side that shows the whole fish
also, a headshot -enlarged/zoomed in- that shows the head from the side, including the body piece just behind the head.
all Syno's have a pointy bone plate on the side, lying on the skin, just behind the gill.
it's just above the pectoral fin and it's called the humeral process.
this bony plate can be used as a "finger print", cause it has a different unique shape for each species
hybrids never have the same humeral process as the true species of the "elders", so the best way to see if a fish is a hybrid is by using this key
check this Synodontis multipunctata, the humeral is visible behind the head, just above the pectoral fin:
the humeral of another species, S acanthomias:
if you can take a pic where your fish shows this spike, we can be sure.
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Re: synodontis granulosa
The camera i have is rubbish i will try my best, if i can get it into a glass bowl will that help me on getting a better picture..
Also try to have it on something that is dark so it will show the white up a bit more, i will take some pics now and try my best to get the shots from different angles
Also try to have it on something that is dark so it will show the white up a bit more, i will take some pics now and try my best to get the shots from different angles
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In one of the pics i think i can see that spike that you was saying about, not to sure tho. The best i could do given the time, il try again tomorrow sometime.
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not needed anymore...
bad news: this is a fake
this time they managed to get the fins properly, but the stubby body and the ocellated marks are all wrong
it's like a swimming head; the posterior end of the body is all scrunched up like a 'balloon fish' too
not a granulosa
bad news: this is a fake
this time they managed to get the fins properly, but the stubby body and the ocellated marks are all wrong
it's like a swimming head; the posterior end of the body is all scrunched up like a 'balloon fish' too
not a granulosa
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Oh that sucks, Thanks for your help any way.
Do you have any idea of the two the would of bred to make this one?
Do you have any idea of the two the would of bred to make this one?
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Re: synodontis granulosa
The ocelated spots look like S. ocelifer. And certainly one parent is S. granulosa.taylor1410 wrote:Oh that sucks, Thanks for your help any way.
Do you have any idea of the two the would of bred to make this one?
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Especially if you paid a S. granulosa price for it.taylor1410 wrote:Oh that sucks
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I got 2 of them given to me, but only have one at the moment so going to wait and see if the other is the same.Scleropages wrote:Especially if you paid a S. granulosa price for it.taylor1410 wrote:Oh that sucks
I dont know what i would do if i paid a small fortune for it
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if it's a free gift, well, at least you got a free catfish
and it sure looks healthy
all in all a good thing, because if someone started giving away genuine granulosa for free, I'd have to kill him on account of me feeling ripped of.
since I own 6 and over here they go for over 300€.....
that would have been well past 1800 euro's I could have kept in my wallet, since someone took it upon himself to devaluate the worth of granny's to absolute zero......
and since killing people is still frowned upon, i'd likely be in trouble, cops, judges, jails and whatnot; a whole bothersome affair
and it sure looks healthy
all in all a good thing, because if someone started giving away genuine granulosa for free, I'd have to kill him on account of me feeling ripped of.
since I own 6 and over here they go for over 300€.....
that would have been well past 1800 euro's I could have kept in my wallet, since someone took it upon himself to devaluate the worth of granny's to absolute zero......
and since killing people is still frowned upon, i'd likely be in trouble, cops, judges, jails and whatnot; a whole bothersome affair
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The only reason i got it was because of a family friend who didnt know what to do with it when he was selling his fish tank so i said i would take them, then i saw a picture the granulosa somewhere so i was thinking if mine is that one.
I wish it would be a legit one
I wish it would be a legit one
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Re: synodontis granulosa
Pretty fish even though it's not a pure granny. Definitely something crossed with a granny.
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